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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Considering that he is a Professor of Biology at the University of Chicago, he actually is a teacher. He teaches and does research in Biology (specifically, the genetics of speciation) for a living.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3076 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Considering that he is a Professor of Biology at the University of Chicago, he actually is a teacher. He teaches and does research in Biology (specifically, the genetics of speciation) for a living. Nice dodge. Ray
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Yeah, for real. I mean it's not like expertise actually exists, right? A lifetime of devoting yourself to study in a field? Meaningless, of course.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Uh, how is the fact that he actually IS a teacher a dodge of your accusation that he "assumes the position of a teacher"?
He doesn't have to "assume" the position. He really is a Professor of Biology. He really is a teacher.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I guess I'm intrigued to know if herepton actually believes that because a man is an evolutionist then his actions are predetermined in some way. Who knows what Ray really believes? But when the spirit moves him, he will quote the biblical chapter and verse which support his assertion that evilutionists are cursed to their blindness by God. I cannot ever quite retain how that works. Must be the curse at work.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Herepton writes: Considering that he is a Professor of Biology at the University of Chicago, he actually is a teacher. He teaches and does research in Biology (specifically, the genetics of speciation) for a living. Nice dodge. Ray Lame dodge. God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ”Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’ --Ann Coulter, Fox-TV: Hannity & Colmes, 20 Jun 01 Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3076 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Uh, how is the fact that he actually IS a teacher a dodge of your accusation that he "assumes the position of a teacher"? He doesn't have to "assume" the position. He really is a Professor of Biology. He really is a teacher. You have misunderstood. Let me help. Coyne, an evolutionist, and Coulter, of whom I presume is an IDist or Creationist, simply disagrees with her. In order to grind his axe Coyne and Quetzal claim the inferior Coulter does not understand, when in fact, like I said, he simply disagrees. I have done like Coyne in this post too. Claiming you misunderstand, when in fact, we just disagree....do you understand ? Ray
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...and Professor of Biology at a University...
quote: ...who is not in any way, shape, or form even remotely close to the same level of expertise in Biology as Coyne, a Professor of Biology...
quote: ...as well he should, being a teacher and an expert in a field that Coulter is neither. Coulter is simply wrong in her portrayal of Biology. What kind of teacher would Coyne be if he didn't try to correct her mistakes?
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5900 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You have misunderstood. Let me help. Coyne, an evolutionist, and Coulter, of whom I presume is an IDist or Creationist, simply disagrees with her. In order to grind his axe Coyne and Quetzal claim the inferior Coulter does not understand, when in fact, like I said, he simply disagrees. Actually, Ray, it's not that Coulter "disagrees", it's that she's utterly clueless. Her screed is nothing but a rehash of YEC PRATTs, some of which even the main creationist organizations have finally admitted are bogus. The fact that she agrees with you, as opposed to practicing biologists, is somewhat irrelevant to the validity of her claims. In addition, she is very, erm, pointed about her contempt for and disdain of people who quite clearly know more than she does. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in her intellectual integrity, now does it? You should be happy for her, on the other hand, since her book is continuing to top the best seller list. By inference, that means that there are more people in the US like you than there are like Coyne. Looks like you're winning after all.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Considering that he is a Professor of Biology at the University of Chicago, he actually is a teacher. I thought Coyne was a professor of Biology at the U of Colorado, Boulder. Who am I thinking of? Anyone know? He's supposed to be an eminent professor of evolutionary biology...? “It is in vain, O' man, that you seek within yourselves the cure for all your miseries. All your insight has led you to the knowledge that it is not in yourselves that you will discover the true and the good.” -Blaise Pascal
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5900 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
TalkReason.org has a very good series of articles written by James Downard that address in some detail the "scientific merits" of Godless: here, here, and here. (Once again, thanks to the good folks at iidb.org, and especially JamesABrown for the links).
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3076 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
What kind of teacher would Coyne be if he didn't try to correct her mistakes? You are mistaken. Coyne and Coulter are opponents - neither person is a teacher or student in the context that we found them. Either one may be a teacher or student in their private or professional lives, but, like I just mentioned, the context of their union are worldview and debate opponents. We know Coyne teaches at the university level. We also know that Coulter teaches her knowledge in the books that she writes and speaking lectures. I am sure both persons admit to being students of the secrets of knowledge until the day that they die. In addition, your question assumes Coullter needs correcting when in fact Coyne disagrees. We know disagreement is the real reason because Darwinists and Creationists do not agree. Therefore, the "correcting tactic" is exactly that - a tactic caused by the inability to refute or admit that you simply disagree, which exposes the dishonesty of the "teacher correcting student tactic". I am glad to be able to correct your mistake and see that you are open for correction. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3076 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Yeah, for real. I mean it's not like expertise actually exists, right? A lifetime of devoting yourself to study in a field? Meaningless, of course. You are mistaken. Coyne's credentials were never in dispute. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3076 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Actually, Ray, it's not that Coulter "disagrees", it's that she's utterly clueless. Her screed is nothing but a rehash of YEC PRATTs, some of which even the main creationist organizations have finally admitted are bogus. Name two that her own kind part ways with her ? Ray
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I don't know who you are thinking of. The author of Coultergeist is a professor at the University of Chicago.
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