Oh my how things have changed!!!

That's amazing, it's a phobia for me, but not for you. What's good for the goose is..... Which has nothing to do with being afraid of homosexuals, in my point of view.I am just as afraid of the current status of marraige, as I am of the unkown status of same sex marraige, and where this is all going to lead us. But my fear is extremely limited, and probably microscopic compared to your fear of heights, as I do put my trust in the Lord regarding both these subjects. Bend over, and I will let you experience the "ham fisted approach" up close and personal. just kidding....Your are right, I do come across that way, but what to you expect from a NYC kid? It's the way we talk up here, no BS, and to the point. I actually have toned down a thousand percent over the years. I am still learning.

It is truely beyond me how you could have got that from anything I said. I have said just the opposite. You need help.The bible is clearly against homosexuality, that is clear. Why is it, if I post that fact, then I am the same exact way? I am not a literalist. A very good point to consider. But has little to do with reality, as I pointed out. Until you start paying my bills around here, then I will continue to teach my kids those things, and why. You make it out to be something wrong, and it's not. I can raise my kids how ever I choose. Once they are on their own, then they can live however they choose. That's life.You are starting to sound like a liberal, the kind I don't particularly like. All one sided. I look at the whole thing from many different angles. Each one I try to make as unbiased as possible. You have no clue about my experience with homosexuals, or to what extent I know about them, and their "life style". Of course you will immediately take that statement as being bad, discriminatory, and bigoted. That is only an opinion, not a fact. In 6 thousand year from now, people will look at your thoughts the same way. It's not the bedroom I am concerned about. People are free to do with their bodies whatever they want. Then I will accept him just like I do all other gays.I will not pretend to be something I am not, just to please others. If I am wrong, I either have to be shown why, or find out for myself why. I am not absolute in any of my decisions. Ask the pentagon. They have listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Aren't there cures for disorders?Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

I guess that is why I am not afraid of gay people.It was your clamation of me being homophobic that I was refering to. What does you seeing me express anything have to do with how I feel about it.Most of these gay topics are brought up by other people.This wasn't even supposed to be a gay thread. You want to know the truth of my fear?My fear is that one of my narrowminded views of the world could possibly interfere with someone getting to know Jesus Christ, and experiencing the Holy Spirit.

Being terrified of gay marrying, and being terrified of gay people are, to me, two different things.If you don't see black as being white, then fear has nothing to do with it. Some people feel that gays have as much right to marry as 2 monkeys.
Doesn't mean they are afraid of it. The subtly of the gradual. I am not teaching them to be homophobic, I am not predjudice, and the suicide rate of all teenagers is quite high, because parents just don't care enough. No, we should wonder, and examine why they reached that conclusion. Because if it is false, then that will only further encourage people to treat gay people differently.
If it is not false, then.....I think we should all examine why gasby, and the rest of you have turned this into the gay thread, when it was supposed to be a funny about how men treat woman back in the day.

But I am not convinced that the gay suicide rate is higher, purely on the basis that they get treated differently. Most teenagers do not get treated the way they think they should, and have a hard time adjusting to growing up. Could it be that these "gay" teenagers were already screwd up more than the average teenager, and they are already at a place where they just need one more thing to go wrong?Until we fully understand the reasons why people are gay, then we can't answer that question with any authority. Ok then, I will reword it.
If I don't like the color white, but I like the color black, I do not fear white. That things change so gradual, that we don't even notice the change. Things that lead to our demise become acceptable. Just look at TV, is the perfect example.
When I was a child, I did not see a gun on TV until I was at least 7 or 8. Now kids by the time they are 8 have seen mass murders, and blood and guts, people blowing up, everything.
What does all this do to our minds?
Isn't this all about our morals?

Yes, and no.
It has been long enough for certain people to not remember how things were, and yet short enough in the overall scheme of time.That is mostly due to technology, and which the speed of information travels now. Also how our lives are dependant on different things now. Good, then screw it, who gives a f#$k about global warming.
Let's remove all emissions from vehicles, and dump our raw sewage right into the ocean, what the heck, let's dump all our garbage in the ocean.

What does that have to do with anything I said?The BS your talking about comes from the minds of people, not God, or me. Cool it.

Nothing. Straight marraige has already gone to the dogs, all by itself. The demise of straight marraige was the stepping stone to gay marraige.Marraige is only what is on the surface. The actual causes are much deeper than just marraige, and relate to our morals.But what should we do? Allow gay marraige because we need to at least have some good kind of marraige. Or is that even a reason?What is amazing to me, is that you are still hung up on arguing about gay marraige with me, even though I have decided not to go against it.You need to drop the subject. I like TV, and will not get rid of it. I pay for it, so I have a say in what is on it. There are many more who won't get rid of it, and are stupid enough(or not mature enough) to actually confuse TV, with real life.Since we live in a world now that wants to protect us from ourselves, why isn't TV more regulated? (this is a great topic)It's the gradual at work. Just amazing.

You mean to tell me you couldn't gather I was talking about the divorce rate?
It's the point that constantly gets brought up whenever we talk about gay marraige in here. Making the commitment is one thing, sticking to it is another. Every law that goes into effect in this country IS my business.
"We the People" I am not denying anybody anything.
If you want to marry a monkey schraf, be my guest. There are good qualities, and bad qualities abotu it. You got that right.
From your statement, and your decision to not watch TV, I would say you don't really agree with what is on TV either. Yet we allow it.We allow lies, and encourage all sorts of bad behavior. Ever see the movie Jackass?All that is ok, but if I want to build a bedroom in my basement, it is required to put in a second exit, in case of a fire. This and many other laws that cost you thousands of dollars to protect you from yourself, is all ok. But TV can show whatever it wants, practically.

Anythig goes, just not in the church I go to, otherwise I will have to find another one.It's on God, not on me. I have prayed to God, and asked Him to settle the situation. I have complete faith that whether gays marry or not, the situation is under control.

I admire that in you, and in schraf too. It's not a bad thing at all. I think about doing that quite often. (giving up TV altogether)
BTW, I consider simpsons crap, and I do not watch it.But, one day in Puerto Rico, I was watching a basketball game (the knicks) and there was a commercial break that showed scenes from a movie. There was 5 kids under the age of 8 watching the game with us, and in one of the scenes, they decide to show someone get their head blown off. Full graphics. I don't find that acceptable at all. Because it is there, and people can make money off them watching it. It doesn't matter if it a bad influence on anybody, money talks. We only protect ourselves from ourselves whenever it is convienent. We don't know where your from, but here in NY, talk radio is horrible. It's worse than TV in some aspects. I don't but others do, and it changes them, which in fact may one day cause harm to me, or one of my kids. Just look at the attitude of kids these days, and you'll understand why.It is beyond me just not looking, it affects me, whether I watch it or not. It affects my children whether they watch it or not. I need a warning device, so I don't catch that 1/100th of a second it takes to turn away. lol' But I do. If you can not masturbate, which I tried for 5 months once, it is a good thing. There are benifits to that. But if you can't contain yourself, then better to masturbate. For the most part, I do not masturbate that often, it has grown tiresome, and my hand is like an old hag now. I desire love, and companionship with my beautiful wife. For the most part, yes. Everyone has an opinion, and it is our combined opinions that make up our society. Science does not rule our opinions, because science does not have all the answers.I don't choose a religious view, because I actually love to sin. I see the value in all the things that Jesus was teaching us, including judging others. That's why I find it ok for gays to marry. And those rights are bestowed upon us by whom? I understand that. Some people do not like to see me fly my radio control planes. I guess we all have to compromise. That is exactly what I am talking about. But this is exactly what I just said a few posts back. You cannot use the failure of straight marraige as a reason for gay marraige. There must be a word for that. Strawman maybe? Listen dude, I am not a homophobe. I am not afraid of gays, or gay marraige, or what it will do to our society. When I die, I know where I am going.I have stated many times, that I do not understand same sex attraction, or how it develops in a person. That is perfectly normal. I do find the act of gay sex disgusting, just like snot hanging from your nose. That is also perfectly normal.I also do not appreciate being called something I am not. I have nothing to fear, as I put my trust in a higher authority. Even before I knew God the way I do now, I was not afraid of it.I can remember times when people would attack this kid in school because he was gay, and I stood up for him. I love my gay friends, they are awesome people. I'll be there, camcorder in hand.

Last I heard, and last we argued, it was down to 50%.But some of those divorces are people who get more than one divorce.

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3. PROJECTION/PREDICTION. This is the Census Bureau's often-cited "50%" rate, the proportion of marriages taking place right now that will eventually divorce, which has since been revised downward to roughly 43% by the National Center for Health Statistics but was moved back up to around 50% by the Census Bureau in 2002, with even more ifs ands and buts than usual. Most recently, according to the New York Times, it has been revised downward to just over 40%.

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http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html For the last time, I am not denying anyone, anything.
Boy your thick. You need Jesus. No, I pointed out that, the success rate of straight marriage has nothing to do with whether gay get married or not.It is a strawman arguement. Keep in mind schraf, and I say this to you and your husband with much love. If you guys ever decide to have kids, and you keep them from the TV, that all the kids they hang out with at school will be watching TV, and learning from it, then teaching it to your kids. So your decision to not watch TV, or let your kids watch TV, will be irrelevant. It affects all the people around you, people you have to deal with every day.You find it ok that TV reports invalid scientific facts?
That the news, is nothing more than propaganda, and encourages bad things in our society sometimes?
That infomercials can claim whatever they want, regardless if it is true or not?
That drug companies advertise their drugs to the general public, that does not have licsense to get the drugs?
The list goes on and on.I am not saying all TV is bad. I mostly stick to sports, news, science channel, and discovery, and history, with a few movies here and there.But even history channel will brodcast things about the history of religion that may not be true. Things that would discourage people from seeking God. But they also brodcast things that would encourage you seeking God. So at least they are fair, provided you catch both programs.

I didn't refer to NPR as talk radio. I am kind of for that. But that's my point. I am not looking to control others lives, just my own. Everything that happens around me, affects me, and my children. It's called society. The Declaration does not start off by saying I the people. We are not a nation of individuals, or are we a world of individuals as much as we are one human race. Science should have showed you that. The world is a small place now. Turning your head and not looking is NOT the answer.

Is that because the marraige rate is lower? Watch the video games as well. Without me knowing it, my kids started playing a game that was inappropiate and soon their attitudes and tempers were rising. Even innocent fantasy fighting games like street fighter cause an aggression in the children that otherwise wouldn't be as pronounced.Keep in mind that you cannot take the kid out of a kid, but you have to watch the levels, and the "world" seems to sneek things in there on you. Hey, I am not asking you to believe me, shit you never believe me anyway. But just keep it in mind, and have an open mind about it, should you ever have kids. Which brings me back to original point, that they control certain aspects, and not others. There is no consistency, only a world driven by money.

The whole dam earth is post-hoc But there is truth in what you say.
My kids are much more peaceful when we take away the TV from them, and read them bible verses.But I found it funny.