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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I've been trying to understand creationist explanations. Call me a moron, but I still don't get how the creationist would explain how all the marsupials got to Australia. Not just Australia, but places like New Zealand, Hawaii, etc. How did the land dwelling animal get to these places if Noah's ark landed somewhere in the middle east? How did the polar bears get to where they are now?
Please donk't ask me where I want to place this. Just pick the best place for it. Also, I'm not here to try to refute the creationist position on this. For now, I just want to understand their reasoning. Place yourself on the map at http://www.frappr.com/evc The thread about this map can be found here.
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AdminSchraf Inactive Member |
I put this in Faith and Belief since you only want to know what people's explanations are rather than a discussion of plausibility.
Remember, this isn't a science forum. Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum. Edited by AdminSchraf, : No reason given.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3941 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
You have to remember one thing about creationism, they have abandoned all semblance of need for their explanation to have any relation to reality or evidence.
For that reason it is possible for them to come here and answer your question as follows.
For a brief period of time after the flood the continents were much higher before they sank a little deeper into the crust after runaway plate subduction was finished. This presented a number of land bridges to animals that no longer exist. Or vice versa
Ocean levels took awhile to settle to their current state post flood which gave an opporunity for animals to cross land bridges. Or think up anything else crazy off the top of your head
The continents moved to their current position AFTER the flood was over. All marsupial animals are decendents of one kind of marsupial that used to know how to fly and subesquently lost that ability due to devolution because of the fall You need to remember, when you don't care about evidence or even basic plausibility; if your only criteria is that whatever explanation should not contradict the Bible, then anything goes! Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
How did the polar bears get to where they are now? Forget polar bears how about earth worms, slugs, blind shews or blind cave fish. It must be just one of those mysteries that we will just never know. The geographic differential delineation of lifeforms is one of the strongest evidence of evolution. This observation is both explained and required by evolution theory.
gasby writes: Also, I'm not here to try to refute the creationist position on this. For now, I just want to understand their reasoning Gasby, I suspect this will be a quiet thread, but I hope some YEC steps up to the plate as I am also interested.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5550 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
how the creationist would explain how all the marsupials got to Australia. Not just Australia, but places like New Zealand, Hawaii, etc. How did the land dwelling animal get to these places if Noah's ark landed somewhere in the middle east? Not only that. They also have to explain how come there are no marsupials elsewhere.How come there are no marsupials in Europe? if they could walk from middle east to Australia, they sure could walk to Europe. Also, to get to Australia they would have had to pass by India. How come there are no Marsupials in India? If I were you I would get some confortable chair and a nice drink while waiting for an answer 'cause it might take a while...
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mjfloresta Member (Idle past 6023 days) Posts: 277 From: N.Y. Joined: |
Which last time I checked were marsupials...
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6009 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
So...
How'd they get there? That's the topic. Edited by tudwell, : No reason given.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Actually marsupials originated in the America's but started to go extinct in the Miocene. Marsupials found their way to Australia, via Antarctica and flourished there to this day. Or so the theory goes based on the current record of fossils.
However, none of this takes away from the fact that there is species differentiation based on geographical isolation. Madagascar is perhaps a better example - Separated from Africa for some 170 millions years ago. Although there have been migrations (rafting events) something like 3/4 of the island's lifeforms are unique to the island. The equation is like this: Population + Separation + Long Time = Unique Lifeforms Noachian theories do not explain or predict this distribution.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Google search, marsupials + North America = Opossums Which last time I checked were marsupials... They came from South America, where there are several left over from when Australia and South America were joined. == explained by evolution and plate tectonics. There are also a marsupial fossils found in Europe, Africa and Asia - that came from North America:
A New European Marsupial Indicates a Late Cretaceous High-Latitude Transatlantic Dispersal Routequote: Perhaps the ark really landed in OZ. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Bump... I really want to know what's up.
Place yourself on the map at http://www.frappr.com/evc The thread about this map can be found here.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
on this topic, Biogeography falsifies the worldwide flood.. Parts of it are quite hilarious, particularly starting with Message 117. There was also some discussion of this issue in Does The Flood Add up?.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
Just wondering how did earth worms propagated from continent to continent and across continents after crawling out of the ark? This is a good question for all locomotion challenged species.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I read those threads. The people who gave explanations for the animal life distributions never gave any specifics as to how or any evidence. The closest thing that came along was Rober Byer's claim that Australia wasn't suitable for animal life with 4 running legs and that's why there aren't any. This is obviously wrong because the exotic species like the rodents and rabits are doing more than fine in Australia. Why didn't they go to Australia with the herds of marsupials in the first place?
There was never any specific explanation as to how the animal got there. Place yourself on the map at http://www.frappr.com/evc The thread about this map can be found here.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Thank you Gasby for inviting me to this thread...
As a believer in the Bible, this is one of the questions that perplexes me as well. I have no satisfactory answer for the rationalist.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
scottness writes:
I'm not sure how to take that. I have no satisfactory answer for the rationalist. Place yourself on the map at http://www.frappr.com/evc The thread about this map can be found here.
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