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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Anyone who stands to make big money off of either industry. I could die from lack of surprise. But we don't want congress to go the wrong direction. I want the freedom to choose. Anything used incorrectly can cause harm, whether it's an herb or an over the counter drug.
quote:There are FDA regulations : Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act If the manufacturer makes a claim of curing a disease then the supplement falls under the regulations for drugs. See this request from Gaia herbs. Gaia Herbs Herbs in fresh form still fall under regulations regarding food. If the herb is used correctly, what side effects have you heard of for any specific herb or supplement? Personally, I'd prefer not to put something in my body that is made from something I wouldn't normally choose to ingest.
Synthetic Alcohol in FoodsSynthetic Iron Oxide While the label may say synthetic, they don't say what it was derived from. Supplements have the same problem. Any time we have to deal with something that someone else has prepared we run the risk; but all people don't have the means to grow all their own nutritional or medicinal needs. There may be times when a synthetic drug is necessary, but if there is a natural possibility; I want the right to choose what goes into my body. People are allowed to smoke harmful cigarettes if they choose, even though they are warned of the possible harm. Cigarettes used to be considered safe. In the mid 50's one doctor even prescribed smoking a cigarette a day to avoid nausea when sitting in a room where people smoked. I want the right to choose my form of health maintenance, whether it is a combination of MD, ND, nutritionist, or sports therapist. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
And your point is what concerning ephedra stems for hayfever?
Ephedrine Group Alkaloids - Prohibition He's mixing up a remedy for hayfever, not putting it in a dietary supplement. (A dietary supplement is a product taken by mouth that contains a "dietary ingredient" intended to supplement the diet.) "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:There are FDA regulations : Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, Public Law 103-417, 103rd Congress which stated: There shall be established as an independent agency within the executive branch a commission to be known as the Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels (hereafter in this section referred to as the "Commission").. The membership shall include: (See the link for actual members)
* (1) COMPOSITION. - The Commission shall be composed of 7 members who shall be appointed by the President. * (2) EXPERTISE REQUIREMENT. - The members of the Commission shall consist of individuals with expertise and experience in dietary supplements and in the manufacture, regulation, distribution, and use of such supplements. At least three of the members of the Commission shall be qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate the benefits to health of the use of dietary supplements and one of such three members shall have experience in pharmacognosy, medical botany, traditional herbal medicine, or other related sciences. Members and staff of the Commission shall be without bias on the issue of dietary supplements. This commission transmitted its final report on November 24, 1997.
The Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels -- established by Congress in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 and appointed by President Clinton -- has transmitted its final report to the President, the Congress, and the Secretary of Health and Human Services. The seven-member Commission examined a number of issues associated with labeling of dietary supplements. The report completes the duties of the Commission as assigned in its charter of February 1996. I can't list all their specifications here, but here is a link to the FDA's Dietary Supplement Proposal. Is there a supplement that you feel is not follow the guidelines? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I don't see where any of your links have a dietary supplement with a claim from the manufacturer. What I see are claims of people, not manufacturers about their product. Disclaimers are there just like on cigarettes. Ultimately people have to make their own decisions.
quote:Yes truth in advertising would be nice, but then that goes for anything someone is selling. quote: Black Cohosh May Increase Breast Cancer Spread Conclusion: These results suggest that black cohosh supplements might not affect your risk of developing breast cancer. But if breast cancer does develop, black cohosh may make it more aggressive and likely to spread to other organs or tissues. Remember that this is an early small study, done on mice. It's very hard to take information from animal studies and apply it to people. Still, based on these conclusions, researchers may consider it potentially unsafe for women with breast cancer to even try black cohosh. Which would make sense since Black Cohosh contains phytoestrogens. Breast cancer in the women I've known have been estrogen related. So I can see where it would aggravate, but the study didn't prove it would increase one's risk of cancer. Personally, I never found that it helped any. Of course there were menstrual pain relievers that worked great for some women, but didn't help me. Individual's need to be aware of the disease risks of their heredity and environment. If a supplement is hazardous, it is the job of the FDA to take action. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
As long as we have to rely on others for food, drugs, supplements etc., there will always be a risk.
Drugs Marketed in the United States That Do Not Have Required FDA Approval Supplements have to list ingredients or additives, just like the food I eat. I do my research and make my decisions accordingly. Assuming that I consume anything advertised is erroneous. Advertisement has a purpose and we have to discern what is necessary and what isn't; whether it is drugs advertised on TV, dietary supplements, or what foods will help lower cholesterol. My dentist and MD don't usually give me that option. They use what they deem is best. Yes understanding basic human physiology is necessary and plays a part in what I decide to ingest. My decisions aren't based on an overnight whim. It is many years of dealing with various doctors on serious illnesses and some not so serious. They are also based on information gleaned from agricultural information associated with raising cattle, chickens, etc. Realizing that what FDA allows under a terminology isn't necessarily what we think it is. A lot of factors and personal experience go into my decisions. I could be wrong and I could die tomorrow, but that is a risk. I can trust the doctor and I could also die tomorrow, but that is a risk. We all choose the risks we are willing to take. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Choose one and the problem I am supposedly going to use it for and I'll try tell you why I would or would not use it. Just remember, I don't have any life threatening illness. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Never heard of mangosteen, but here goes.
Excerpt from: The New Complete Medical and Health Encyclopedia 1987, Edited by Richard J. Wagman, M.D., F.A.C.P, Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine, Downstate Medical Center, NY, NY.
Osteoarthritis is usually mild, and it seldom cripples. pain is generally moderate. Unlike rheumatoid arthritis, which is inflammatory, spreads from joint to joint, and affests the whole body, osteoarthritis confines its attack locally to individual joints. Rarely is inflammation a problem. Osteoarthritis is likely to develop in any joint that has been required to take a lot of punishment or abuse; the knee or hip joints of someone who is overweight; joints injred in an accident; joints injured or overused in sports; joints subjected to unusual stresses and strains in work or play; joints with hidden defects that were present at birth. There is no specific cure for arthritis, but the pain and swelling can be controlled. In other than acute cases, common aspirin has proved the safest and most popular medication. Adequate rest for both the body and the affected joint is a fundamental treatment. Heat, controlled exercise, hydrotherapy, and massage are all effective if done under a physician's supervision. Excerpt form same book: A somewhat simplified explanation of the cause of osteoarthritis is this: the joints between the bones of a young person are cushioned and lubricated by cartilage pads and smooth lining membranes; normal wear and tear on the joints during a lifetime of activity gradually erodes the protective layers between the bones. According to your QuackWatch, Mangsteen is just a tropical fruit juice. There doesn't seem to be any danger in it, plus according to the medical world there is no cure for osteoarthritis. Just pain management through "aspirin" and exercise. So given all that, if I had osteoarthritis and I drank mangosteen (and actually liked the taste) and it stopped the pain; I would continue to drink it. But there has supposedly been a breakthrough concerning Pomegranate fruit extracts which might slow down the inevitable. As far as safety, the juice still falls under the guidelines for safe foods. So it should be considered as safe as any other fruit juice I buy in the store. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs can cause stomach problems. So the fruit juice has a lower risk of causing another problem besides the one I already have. Do you find a flaw in my reasoning? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Then you should have been more specific as to what you were talking about. All you said was mangosteen. I found juice and gave you my thoughts on the juice. If you have links to the skin, then provide them and I'll look at it.
What I looked at was a fruit juice and it still has to fall under the FDA safety regulations for food. So as a food it is safe. Do you feel cranberry juice is unsafe to drink or any other fruit juice?
quote:Lack of pain is lack of pain, whether the juice did something or I "imagined" it. I feel there was enough information for me to make an informed decision concerning my "condition". If you prefer to wait for studies that would be your choice. Again, given that it is a fruit juice covered by FDA food regulations and given that there is no cure only pain management, do you see a flaw in my conclusion concerning the mangosteen juice?
quote:Do you know that about any other fruit juices you drink before you decide to drink them? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I've never claimed that anything natural is automatically good for you. I'm quite aware that there are poisonous plants and animals that aren't fit for consumption. Are you saying that the FDA allows these juices to be manufactured and sold in the U.S. for general consumption? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:But our scenerio didn't include being on any other medications. Having osteoarthritis dosen't mean I have any other medical problems. Anyone taking multiple medications, herbs, supplements, etc. should always do their homework. There is a book called: Vitamins, Herbs, Minerals, & Supplements; The Complete Guide by H. Winter Griffith, M.D. 1998. It includes known interactions, usage information, warnings, known effects, etc.
quote:But did the manufacturer of the fruit juice do that research or the diuretic manufacturer? quote:You haven't shown me that a fruit juice manufacturer is required to do testing to show how his fruit juice may interact with various drugs. BTW, Xango has been warned by the FDA about outrageous claims.
quote:That's like asking how many food and drug interactions does my doctor know about. It is usually the pharmacist that tells you about interactions, not the doctor. quote:Are you saying that no drug or food additive that the FDA allowed on the market has ever killed or maimed people? They have never had to reverse their approval? quote:Please show me that more is required from a fruit juice manufacturer than an herbal drug manufacturer. In Message 117 you claimed
That's true, but based upon what you have written in this thread, I honestly do not think that you truly understand the magnitude of the lack of information on these herbal drugs. The information simply doesn't exist to know enough for anyone to make an informed decision about most of them. In Message 121 I asked that you choose one and choose a health problem I would be using the remedy for and I would explain to you why I would or would not use it. You chose Mangosteen, a fruit juice. You still haven't shown a valid flaw in my reasoning in Message 126 concerning mangosteen and osteoarthritis. Possible drug interaction isn't valid because another drug wasn't given in the scenerio and fruit juices list their contents just like any other food. Don't add to the scenerio. For me the fruit juice, mangosteen, poses no risk. If it didn't work, it was a nice fruity drink. Again, given what osteoarthritis is, that there is no cure, and pain management is the means available in dealing with it; do you find a valid flaw in my reasoning? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
As I've said before change takes time.
It took time for the drug rules to get where they are today and it will take time for the herbal rules to get to a standard people can accept.
quote:You assume. Known Effects quote:You haven't provided a link for me to check. quote: The introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of an unapproved new drug is prohibited under the FD&C Act [21 U.S.C. 331(d)] and may lead to enforcement action, including seizure and/or injunction. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:What has that got to do with change taking time. If one vote will do it then somebody has to change their mind and apparently hasn't yet. quote:No, there needs to be better regulations for supplements and medicinal herbs. I never said they were perfect. ABE: But I don't want to lose the right to choose them as my choice for health maintenance and healing. Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Antibiotics
Antibiotics increase the growth of the yeast Candida albicans in the gut, Noverr explains. It is a common side effect of antibiotic use and previous studies show that this change in the gut could increase allergies. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Antibiotics increase the growth of the yeast Candida albicans in the gut, Noverr explains. It is a common side effect of antibiotic use and previous studies show that this change in the gut could increase allergies. Your body's immune system is designed to attack harmful substances like bacteria and viruses. But with allergies, your body launches an assault on substances that are basically harmless -- such as pollen, mold, dust mites, pet saliva and dander, and even medications and insect sting venom. Sounds like the immune system is not working correctly, malfunctioning. It may still attack the harmful substances, but is also attacking harmless substances.
Oral Candida or Thrush ...It often heralds a decrease in the strength of the immune system. Candida can weaken the immune sytem.
Chronic and acute mobilization of immune defenses, induced by a variety of diseases and conditions, places undue stress on the immune system, weakening its capacity to deal effectively with infectious organisms and other immunological requirements elsewhere in the body. Such conditions include, but are not limited to, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, autoimmune disorders in general, primary chronic polyarthritis, chronic candidiasis, cancer, neurodermatitis, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, food and other allergies, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and chemical sensitivities. It is known that antibiotics kill friendly bacteria as well as harmful.
Common Vaginal Infection: Anything that interferes with the immune system will make yeast thrive. Antibiotics, for example, kill not only the harmful bacteria but also the friendly bacteria that are always in the vagina, necessary to fend off infection. As the article from the medical news archive stated: Antibiotics increase the growth of the yeast Candida albicans in the gut. Candida is known to be a contributor to weakening the immune system. So is it really unfair to say that antibiotics are a danger to the immune system or must one say that antibiotics only contribute to weakening of the immune system? "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:And that is your choice. I conclude otherwise and choose to stay away from antibiotics as much as possible. My concerns are not unfounded or unreasonable. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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