Problems with the Big Bang theory

Again, you have come to the right place. We are fortunate enough to actually have some cosmologists here. Look for posts by Son Goku and cavediver. They will be more than happy to explain current thinking on origins and the BB. Really? So if I was ordained the relevance of what I said would change? If so, you might just want to check even further. Or even read what I write and actually think about it. How silly. Please show where I said or claimed any such thing.Again, perhaps you should not misrepresent what I say.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Is that a scientific process you invoke?That's why we theists like to remind everyone that it's all faith in the greater scheme.Unless God reveals Himself, we just don't know 'Jack'.The good news is... He has! And everybody's welcome.

just out of curiosity... are you a born again Christian?

Kind of hard when you keep changing the meaning. Do you know what you mean?I'm sorry brother jar, I didnt' know you were 'born again'. I didn't ever see you mention it. Even if you had, you obviously don't understand it. It's all right there in the Bible... but you knew that right?... only you didn't mean that!This whole he said she said thing is really quite boring. Like tolerating a kid who is being defiant and manipulative.

By the grace of God!

I do not doubt that you might for some reason believe that, but it is simply beyond reason unless you can provide some compelling evidence. When you find links to such material please be sure to post them here.I lived along Turkey Run for awhile. One of my favorite places was a small pond where the stream ran over several granite boulders and spilled down a small waterfall into a pool. The stream had been running over those same boulders and spilling into the same pond for many hundreds of years. In fact the house we lived in had been built before the Revolutionary War.There was negligible wear.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Huh. Why are Christians so often drug addicts, I wonder? I've never known an atheist who did anything more serious than a couple of beers on a Friday night. Right. Those laws are the laws that prove the Big Bang. I doubt it, somehow.

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Is that a scientific process you invoke?

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No. It is beyond science. Science basically describes what happens in the universe. I doubt it will ever be able to answer a question like why the universe exists.Think about strange the question is. The "beginning of the universe" is the beginning of time itself. Before the beginning, there was no time. It is like asking what is north of the North Pole. It is a nonsense question; by definition, the North Pole is the northern most point.In the same way, the ultimate beginning of the universe is the very first instant of time. There is no "before". So what does one mean by a "cause" for the universe? When people say "A causes B", they mean that they see A precede B in time. But nothing can precede the universe in time, because there is no time before the universe itself. Therefore, when people talk about a "cause" for the universe, I don't really know what they mean.

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Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. -- Otto von Bismarck

Well, the Grand Canyon is a mile deep, and we (that is to say, white people) discovered it in 1540, when it was as deep as it is now. If you think a river can cut a mile-deep channel in hundreds of years, why isn't the Grand Canyon twice as deep after another couple hundred years?

LOL yet again. I did not say I was 'born again' and what the hell does that have to do with anything? In fact I said I was a "Cradle Creedal Christian".Try reading what I say and stop misrepresenting. And the topic is "Problems with the Big Bang theory", whether someone is Christian, atheist or anything else has NOTHING to do with the BB Theory.Please, stop with the irrelevancies.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't know...why don't you tell me...you're the one with all the answers here. Maybe the layers that were easily eroded have done so. Maybe the river was wider and more swift then. Maybe it happened during the flood, as there was a lot of water around then ya know.

I love the way you think... We could spend hours talking about things like this over coffee, and it would confirm for my co-workers that I am nuts. A waste of time to most folks, and irrelevant. They are probably right. I sometimes think it is just pride that causes us to engage in this way. I know that is too true for me (Crashfrog will be shocked because he is sinless).Your thinking is very sound and very logical. It makes me glad to report that the Bible doesn't say that God (the creator) lives in time, but that He lives eternally. So you are correct. Nothing in time caused the universe. Something outside of time did. Do you find it a coincidence that the Bible could have avoided that trap?Maybe it is simply circumstantial to you.

You sir are no monkey. You are a pompous ass! A bad combination by any measure.Since when do you presume to tell others what is relevant. There is more to life than your own opinion.

Well, ok, since you asked, here's the answer - the Grand Canyon took millions of years to erode.That's the answer - it's impossible for it to have formed in "hundreds of years." Some of those layers are granite. You've seen granite, right? Does it seem like granite erodes easily?We're not talking about a river making a little channel through the mud. We're talking about the Colorado river eroding a mile-deep channel through solid rock. Several different kinds of really hard solid rock.Hundreds of years? Is that really something that seems likely to you?

I'll presume to tell you this is irrelevant. This thread is "Problems with the Big Bang theory" in the forum "Big Bang and Cosmology" in the "Science Forums" section. Theology is NOT relevant, jar's Christianity is NOT relevant and your name calling is against Forum Guidelines.Any more of this and you will be taking a short vacation from posting here.Please take any complaints or questions to the appropriate thread listed in my signature box.

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