Problems with the Big Bang theory

If scientists had been able to foresee such misconceptions, they might have called it the Big Sprawl, or something like that.Big Bang certainly does conjure up images of booming bombs, which makes me wonder why the scientists chose it in the first place... shame on you, scientists, shame on you! J0N

Even if we WERE all "evolutionists," that would say nothing of our ability to understand anything about the origins of the Universe, or our likelyhood of accepting/not accepting the views of "mainstream" science. Which makes me wonder, do you simply accept this stuff because the scientists say it's so? Without questioning it? Without looking for the information?Secondly, unless you're willing to get a pretty in-depth book on the subject, or go to a really hard-core science school, you're most likely to learn/be taught that the Big Bang WAS a big explosion that happened out in space. You souldn't blame someone for being stupid just because they are being taught through misguided sources.J0N

Except, of course, in your fairytale world where things pip-pop out of nowhere at the word of God.Why don't you show ME some evidence that proves something CAN'T come from nothing? You made the claim; you have to back it up. You can't just spout mindless crap and then sit and laugh as people run frantically to find all sorts of facts to shoot it down !You're making a claim. A claim that claims Big Bang is false because there is a "factual problem" with a "part of the theory" which isn't really a part of the theory at all. After building your pretty little scarecrow and setting it alight, you then stand back and claim that all this is evidence that God created the world, and that it is good, and that He is happy, and blah blah blah... (vomit emoticon).J0N

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In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species

You must be rather special then, eh? Since you seem to be able to understand it quite well.J0N

Okay... in Message 44 you said: Now, this makes a couple of claims.1- God exists
2- God created the Universe
3- The Universe is infinite
4- There is no chance involved in our existance
5- Something cannot come from nothing
6- Something had to always be aroundNow, you have a lot of claims that need to be backed up here, and they aren't all appropriate for the science forums, so I will not be dealing with some of them. However, you will have to prove that God created the Universe. Can you do this? And, having taken the "something cannot come from nothing" point of view, you will have to back it up. Now, you say things like this, to hide your foolishness, but you are fooling only your foolish self if you think anyone believes that your original intent was to get the response you got. I mean, your name is DivineBeginning, which makes it rather obvious that you do think God created the Universe. A claim, which you need to support. If you cannot support it with scientific facts, then you need to retract the statement, because we are in the science forums. There is a place for your beliefs in the other forums, but in here they will not do as evidence. Which statement in particular is it that you do not have to back up, and why is it that you don't have to back it up? You made a claim, and no matter what your claim is, you have to support it with SCIENTIFIC evidence. Once again, you are posting this, but it has NOTHING (that's Latin for "not a God Damn bit") to do with the Big Bang. The Big Bang is just the "bang" of the crap that was sitting there in space for who knows how long at whatever size and level of energry, blah, blah. It doesn't have anything to do with the predictions of what was there before the "bang", and if you want to discuss such a topic in a scientific way, then you should start a new thread and stop posting off-topic nonsense such as "something cannot come from nothing." If you want to discuss such a topic on a faith-based level, then you can start a topic and direct it to those forums... either way, I'll be on your ass to prove you wrong .Now, I'm hungry, and that plate of spaghetti won't just make itself... unless... .Jay-Oh-En

What's worse is that he then gets after us for using such "special pleading" in regards to a scientific origin of the Universe as if it's okay to do with his beliefs, but not with our science.Later he writes that I shouldn't use science against his faith in the same way that he shouldn't use faith against my science, as if he feels the two are somehow equal. Yet, he finds that his God (faith) is important enough to escape his "you cannot have something from nothing" problem, whilst he thinks the science is not.And finally, he closes the door to further debate when I call him out on it. What a dweeb, sorry to use personal language, but he just is.And if DivineBeginning is a female, I appologize for any offense you may percieve as a result of my use of he/him/his as non-gender-specific pronouns .And for typing all this crap in a reply to Sidelined, sorry dude .J0N

STOP POSTING ABOUT GOD AND HIS EXISTANCE unless you can back it up with SCIENTIFIC evidence. This is a SCIENCE FORUM, and the people here are trying to discuss SCIENTIFIC MATTERS, and you are IN THE WAY when you post OFF-TOPIC basura (that's Spanish for "rubbage").So, unless you are ready to provide some SCIENTIFIC evidence for your claims on God, retract them as being anything worthy of a post in the science forums (which will not invalidate them as beliefs in anyway--please do not think I am trying to invalidate your beliefs), and post them in the faith forums where we can discuss them on a level which assumes the existance of God and all that other shtuff . Right now, you are just getting hammered by everyone, and your view points will go unheard. If you put them in the proper forums, we can discuss them on an equal level-headed field.J0N

Please do not call us bitter just because we do not share your same beliefs.We only "indirectly" accused you of being closed-minded because everytime a logical argument was made against your infinite God and His perfect Universe, you refused to respond with a logical answer, and instead responded with things like "God always existed, end of story" or something like that nature. The only (logical) conclusion to be drawn from this is that you have no logical reasoning behind your statements that God is infinite. It is okay to have faith in something, and no one is calling you out on it, but we all just wanted to point out that God is not scientific and so you shouldn't post about Him in the science forums.Now, because Percy already said most of that, I think it's useless to keep arguing this. Either you'll agree and start a new thread, or you'll just end up getting yourself banned.I do hope you start a new thread elsewhere though, it would be a good thing to read and look over. Just post in the Proposed Topics place and someone will transfer it over... Can't wait to read it!J0N