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Message 16 of 169 (392684)
04-01-2007 7:13 PM

Reply to: Message 14 by mpb1
04-01-2007 7:05 PM

Re: Why I didn't become an atheist

If I didn't believe in God or the Bible, I would WANT to abandon the clean life I have lived up to this point - for the sake of pleasure.

Why?

I think attitudes like that show why most Christians are seen as far less moral than most Atheists.

Basically that statement strongly suggests that Christians are some subspecies of mankind that is incapable of the behavior seen in the average Atheist.

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Message 22 of 169 (392697)
04-01-2007 7:40 PM

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04-01-2007 7:17 PM

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Allow me to clarify... I have only had s-x with one woman in my life - my wife - because of what I believe. That is where the greatest temptation lies with me personally.

That's fine. But again, Atheists face the same exact temptation. And like you, many remain in monogamous relationships.

What you are saying is that you are somehow less able to control your own behavior without some outside referee than the Atheist who behaves just as you do.

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Message 37 of 169 (392786)
04-02-2007 10:37 AM

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04-01-2007 7:42 PM

Re: The Internet is for ...

I have no problem granting that you may very well be more of a moral person - naturally - than I am.

But by God's standard, "The wages of sin is death," any sin will keep us out of Heaven - apart from grace through faith in the Son of God.

So no matter how moral you or anyone else is, if the Bible is true, then all sin will be judged, and those who have not trusted in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior will receive the Judgment of God because they refused to accept the sacrifice of His Son.

Mark, sorry to break it to you but that is just another lie that is pushed by the same folk that try to pedal Young Earth or the Flood or Joshua Conquered Canaan myths.

See Message 1.

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Message 43 of 169 (392830)
04-02-2007 2:31 PM

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04-02-2007 2:27 PM

Re: Science and Faith in Harmony

Well, I live in the same world as Larni, and I don't see anything supernatural about it. In fact it's well-known that no proponent of the supernatural has ever come forward with any evidence for it.

Well of course not. If it were subject to the same evidences as the natural world it would not be super natural.

But on the subject of the thread, I see no reason for anyone to fear Atheism. It is certainly not a threat to anyone.

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Message 70 of 169 (393189)
04-03-2007 8:33 PM

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04-03-2007 8:25 PM

Re: Why I didn't become an atheist

Mark, if you should want to explore possible paths and solutions to the issues raised by Science and Christianity, I would be happy to point you towards some resources.

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Message 78 of 169 (393546)
04-05-2007 6:03 PM

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04-05-2007 5:50 PM

Re: It's not in the least bit a "pointless exercise".

It sounds like you're saying that Christians should STOP teaching that all morality stems from belief in God - and that instead, Christians should teach that morality should stem from morality-based reasoning (or however else you want to define "anything but God").

As a Christian I would definitely say that Christians should STOP teaching that all morality stems from belief in God.

You give an example:

mpb1 writes:

Christian 9th grader says, "I'm a Christian. The Bible says drinking and premarital sex are wrong. Evolution disproves the Bible anyway, so I no longer need to abide by its rules, nor should I have be forced to experience guilt. Therefore I can drink and have premarital sex."

Non-Christian 9th grader says, "I'm not a Christian. The Bible and its rules mean nothing to me. There is nothing stopping me from drinking and having premarital sex, so I may as well indulge in it."

The problem is that in your story, the Christian 9th Grader was NEVER taught either what the purpose of the Bible really is or what Christianity really is. Had he been taught what the Bible or Christianity were really about, he would not think that Evolution disproves the Bible.

Your second example is equally flawed. The Atheist would not say or think anything like what you describe. Instead, would more likely think "My parents taught me that I should not overindulge or be inconsiderate of others."

The problem is not Atheist Morals but that most Christians are clueless of what Christianity demands.

Edited by jar, : left a word out

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Message 80 of 169 (393552)
04-05-2007 6:18 PM

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04-05-2007 6:08 PM

Biblical Christianity?

It's about time someone tell you that whatever your beliefs are, they are certainly NOT representative of biblical Christianity.

No kidding?

Thank you for pointing out what I have been saying for years. Biblical Christianity is a bankrupt perversion of the teaching of Christ.

I am glad you see that.

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Message 83 of 169 (393567)
04-05-2007 7:35 PM

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04-05-2007 7:27 PM

Does this have ANYTHING to do with the topic?

Are you able to give me an example of a main line theologian or theologians that would represent your views.

No, of course not. LOL

TTBOMK not one other person is me, and so they certainly cannot represent my beliefs.

However if you have any question related to the topic "Get Over Your Fear of Atheism", I would be more than happy to try to explain where I stand and why I hold such a position.

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