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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Earlier in this thread, EvC member Trixie, a Theistic-evolutionist, felt compelled to surf the Internet looking for anything that could be used against me - a Creationist, Ray Martinez.
Why? Apparently my views in this thread have enraged her therefore she is out to get some type of revenge due to the inability to address or refute anything I argued. What did Trixie come up with? A web page that shows Fundamentalist Christians and a Theistic evolutionist in sharp disagreement with me. The point is that Trixie posted evidence that Fundamentalists and TEists reject me. These same persons, of course, agree with Atheist evolutionists over microevolution. Again, I am glad that Trixie has uncovered evidence that Fundies, TEists and Atheists reject me. But Trixie thinks the same somehow hurts me. She must also think that disagreement does not exist within her ranks. Read the bitter and embarrassing feud between two famous Atheist evolutionists here and tell me again what is Trixie's point other than being an angry evolutionist who cannot refute? http://members.tripod.com/~SundeepDougal/dengld.html Ray 1st edit: why didn't Trixie post this link explaining that I am banned at Conservapedia (= Fundamentalist central)?
how-the-l-a-times-outsmarted-conservapedia-and-andy-schlafly-second-edition 2nd edit: why couldn't Trixie find any Creationist here that disagrees with me? 3rd edit: spelling 4th edit: correct Trixie's status to a TEist from Atheist evolutionist 5th edit: Admin already fixed the link so there is no edit. I should have noticed before I clicked the "edit" option. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Admin, : Fix long link. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Ray originally writes: The experts like Castro, Pol Pot, Tse-Tung, Stalin and Hussein agree: censorship works: the Bible has been banned by Darwinian Judges on the Supreme and Federal court system. They have adjudicated their bias into the Constitution written by Deists, Theists and Christians in the 18th century. Again, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China, like the Supreme Court, have all banned the Bible. What do these facts tell an objective person? Proof of the existence of the superhuman personage of Satan. FliesOnly in response writes: Seriously dude...you need to get some help...you're disturbingly delusional. I'm beginning to fear for the safety of anyone anywhere near you. Something a person who cannot refute would say. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I would just like to point out that you were wrong the first time you said I was an atheist, you were wrong the second time, you were wrong the third time....you were wrong the 20th time......and you're wrong this time. I am a Christian, although I fully expect you to tell me I'm not....again. You CLAIM to be a Christian. I forgot this and assumed you were an Atheist based on the fact that you argue against the Bible (like any Atheist) and agree with Richard Dawkins concerning the origin of living things. These two facts logically refute your claim of being a Christian. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Amazingly, they both believe that the TOE is the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. They believe it was directed by an intelligent designer but it occurred just the same. Neither Dembski or Behe accept ToE. But anyone could show major contradictions written by Behe. Dembski is a famous antievolutionist. You are ignorant to say the least.
Since you say they are the most correct based on the inane logic that they are opposed by "evolutionists" the most, does this mean that you buy into evolution, speciation and the like? OR Do you think your statements, that macro and micro evolution don't occur, are wrong? This commentary is nonsensical; therefore I have nothing to say. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You have shown by these posts that you are the exact opposite of a scientist. I never claimed to be a scientist or a degree in science. But neither did Professor of Eugenics Ronald Fisher. He had no degree in biology or mathematics, and no degree higher than a four year degree; and yet Richard Dawkins has called him the most important figure in science since Darwin. Besides being a racist, Fisher wrote the book titled "The Genetical Theory Of Natural Selection".
Why should anyone trust anything you have to say on the subject of science? Might as well ask the mice for their opinions on cats. The evidence.
By the way, microevolution, which apparently everyone else in the world but you accepts because of the evidence, can be readily seen. False. Microevolution is an inference. It is too slow to actually be seen. That is why microevolution is inferred to have occurred after the alleged fact. Of course microevolution is false. Animals have no power to change themselves and neither does inanimate matter. Microevolution is an assertion based on rejection of Genesis. The scientific fact of IC refutes the inference of microevolution and explains why the same IS NOT seen in the geological crust of the Earth.
Google "ring species" and see what science has found. This is clear evidence not only of microevolution, but also of macroevolution (speciation). Deny the evidence for microevolution all you want, but its right there in front of your face. Just like a lot of the other evidence for the theory of evolution and the rest of science. Again, evolution is inferred. We reject the inference based on the breathtaking observation of design seen in nature and organisms. The same logically corresponds to invisible Designer. Integrate the fact of IC and the inference is refuted. The same phenomena ("ring species") also has no plausible mechanism to accomplish the evolutionary change, and is better explained to be the work of special creation. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
In what way has our Constitution been corrupted? I asked you this same question a few posts back and you basically ignored it. Maybe this time you'll provide an answer, yes? Federal Judges, who are evolutionists, have made the Constitution say that Creationism cannot be taught to school children. Of course the Constitution says no such thing since it was written by Theists and Deists in the 18th century. Creationism is a scientific theory accepted by over half of all adults in the U.S. We will reverse the corruption of the Constitution; and Creationism will allowed to be taught by any school district.
And what the hell does "science will be restored to the classroom one appointment at a time" mean? It means after the corruption of saying Creationism is unconstitutional is reversed, elected officials can appoint persons who will implement Creationism into the science curriculum of public schools. Officials who prevent will be fired for denying the Constitutional rights of persons to learn about Creationism. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Long urls force the page to be wider than the screen, and thus make reading the posts difficult. Please edit the one you have in Message 153 so we can read the page. Even though the link is absurdly long, the horizontal scroll bar does not appear, and on my computer screens a wide screen does not appear, BUT I will nonetheless do as you ask. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Taken from Wikipedia: Wikipedia is a Atheist controlled slander site. Anyone with a computer can contribute, like yourself, and write lies about Creationists and IDists. Maybe you can tells us, who wrote the "article" on Dr. Scott, what is this persons name? Was it Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Bozo412, or Britney Spears? Hooded knowledge is illegitimate. Dr. Scott was a Stanford Ph.D. He also earned three Ph.D. minors; Psychology, Comparative Religion and Geography. The latter accomplishment was by oral exam. He is the only person to obtain a Ph.D. minor in Geography by oral exam having never taken a class on the subject at Stanford. His Masters degree was in Argicultural Geography which is a Geology-based degree. Dr. Scott was the eminent Bible scholar in the world. He, of course, refuted the Theory of Evolution, which explains your "televangelist" slander and the slander of your fellow Atheists in the news media. Televangelists do not have Ph.D.s from Stanford. Jared Diamond is considered a scientist and he is probably the most respected pro-evolution author in the world today. His degree is in Geography. Of course the level of anger and slander seen in your post against Dr. Scott is in dierct ratio equal to the degree that you perceive him to be a threat to your theory. Dr. Scott, of course, like Dr. Velikovsky, were the two greatest scholars of all time. Evolution has no real scholars since scholars are bound to tell the truth. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Wait, you don't accept that new species have been observed to emerge? Even though they have been directly observed to have done so in real time, both in the lab and in the field? If you want to get back on the wagon, email me and I will sponsor you. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I don't care about a pro-evolution author, Ray. Pro-evolution authors don't contribute to research - they write about what others have done. If evolution rested on the opinions of Jared Diamond, I'd dismiss it as handily as your televangelist buddy. Dr. Scott does not have a degree in any field surrounding evolution, and has never practiced science of any kind - he's a televangelist minister, Ray, nothing more. Now, he may be a crazy televangelist who buys his own press, I'm not entirely sure - but he's certainly no authority on evolution. Now, despite my severe doubts as to the quality of Dr. Scott's opinions regarding evolution, you still haven't provided us with his argument. Appeals to Authority and Ad Hominems are logical fallacies, so despite my misgivings, I;m more than willing to give Dr. Scott's words and thoughts a fair shake. In fact, I'm eager to hear the argument you claim falsifies evolution. We're waiting, Ray. This is not me angry or hostile, Ray. This is me laughing most heartily at your insane ravings and televangelist muse. I don't perceive him, or you as a threat to anything other than the pocketbooks of the gullible - and fortunately Dr. Scott is now deceased, so he won't be scamming grandmothers out of their money any time in the near future. Mmmm hmm. So, since you've still refused to provide your actual argument that destroys evolution, you agree that you implicitly concede that you have nothing, and your tirades are nothing more than the sad rantings of a crazed zealot. Either you're too much of a coward to have your argument examined in public, or you simply don't have one, Ray. The degree of hate, rage and slander seen above is in direct ratio equal to the degree that you perceive Dr. Scott as a threat to your theory. It was Dr. Scott who first pointed out: the acceptance of Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him credit as Creator. This explains why a theory with no evidence is accepted. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
If you want the privilege of defining Intelligent Design and deciding who is in and who is out of the Intelligent Design movement, we are the wrong people to argue with. Go convince all the people at the DI that ID is not opposed to evolution in any way.... Must agree with Adequate here. ID opposes evolution and evolution opposes ID - SHEESH! Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
There's great fear that ID, which is religion, will be forced into public school science classrooms. Correction: Darwinism has been imposed on public class rooms. The same is rabidly supported by all Atheists. ID seeks to loosen the stranglehold and re-introduce Science back into the schools. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Twenty years of ID would bring the USA to a grinding halt in the technological race. We would watch in dismay as the other nations stormed past us while having a good laugh. And all because our kids passed a biology exam with the goddidit answer. Belief presupposes recognition of God as responsible for the observation of design and organized complexity seen in nature and organisms would adversely effect non-biology disciplines. Said belief makes no sense and is based on unsound logic. Belief also advocates evolution-did-it. Logically, invisible Designer/God is a better explanation for the observation of design than a mindless and unguided process that only exists in the minds of Atheists. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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