The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

Since its been proven the universe is flat what your seeing as curved is simply space dilation. Is the distances between galaxies simply space dilation like the earth moving forward in time faster causing the light to have more time to travel between galaxies. Is this the expansion(time dilation)? Even so looking at your curved light the universe has proven to be a flat universe !!!!!!!Like if the universe was created 6,000-13,000 years ago why would the entire universe not look much older given that the expansion "if" caused by the stars, jumping forward in time yet the light of a photon goes only the speed of light has more and more time because space time has increased between the galaxies because the earth, stars have jumped forward more in spacetime?Space dilation is it not just the earth, blackholes, stars, its a property of the fabric of spacetime jumping forward in time and when you look at the expansion of the heavens its increases does not come together like a circle.Instead what has been proven is the circle model is bogus as it has been proven the universe is a flat universe.P.S. Sounds like a machinists use of tolerances + or - would be a better use of what constitutes a straight line.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Universe 'proven flat'The Boomerang balloon inflating just before launchA high-flying balloon that soared over Antarctica has answered one of cosmology's greatest questions by revealing that the fabric of the Universe is "flat".http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/727073.stmEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

If one compares ones sins to this bar you find the bible says as far as the east is from the west. So you have the heavens basically unfolding as the earth rotates around the sun. You have the north star and the southern cross but as far as the east is from the west sounds infinite. That the two will never meet which interestingly agreeing with science that its a flat universe. Time dilation of black holes appears to be a straight line, not a curved line when you look at the entire universe is it not a flat universe!!!!!!!!P.S. Think all the confusion is when pseudo scientists come on board and tell us time is curved when the entire universe is flat !!!!!!!!psalm 103:11-12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++To astronomers, flat means that the usual rules of geometry are observed - light not being bent by gravity travels in straight lines, not curves. But since Albert Einstein proposed that the Universe may be "curved", the debate has been open.It will mean rewriting the text books on the history of the UniverseProfessor Peter Ade
Scientific opinion has moved towards a flat Universe and the latest data confirm this with greater certainty than ever before.However, the Universe's expansion has been so great that space has now been stretched to the point that it is essentially flat.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/727073.stm

What your all missing is when your looking at the entire universe your seeing the end result of all the dimensions added up and the universe comes out flat. Time is not curving back upon itself if its going forward in time.Greene presently believes only one dimension to time even if two leaning only if the bar magnet went back in time could it meet up with itself because time is not curving back but stretching out the expansion of the heavens.With the entire universe being flat time dilation seems only to go forward not backwards in time. If you were able to look down a blackhole suspect you'd have go backward in time to see yourself going forward in time. If that would even be possible as an observer, etc...It just seems everything only moves forward in time perhaps at different rates? space dilation, expansion, etc... Prophecy in the bible is knowing the end from the beginning. God saying it is done, it is finished. He never has to go backwards to correct because he always knows the end from the beginning. It was why all the creatures in genesis were fully formed in the beginning not at the ending and the bible telling us the ending from the beginning. Well whatever, enjoy the video!!!!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtdE662eY_M

However the problem being the universe has been proven to be a straight flat universe so your bringing in myth to suggest the universe is a curved spherical universe.If you hypothetically picture a perfectly straight 3D rod stretching infinitely coming out from the east side of a non closed infinite universe to the west side of a non closed infinite universe its ends will never touch because the universe itself is has it not been proven to be near as straight as 3D rod stretching infinitely from the east side to the west side of our known visible universe meaning the universe that is visible is not a curved spherical universe.Math is hypothetical too but seems scientific opinion has moved toward the non closed flat universe that Buzz flat straight infinite rod too espouses due the scientific data confirms the universe is not a curved spherical universe but believed to be a non closed straight flat universe.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=Scientific opinion has moved towards a flat Universe and the latest data confirm this with greater certainty than ever before.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/727073.stmEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Why would the mass of the straight bar thats longer than the curvature not just cross over a curvature its not like the straight bar is a photon? It the straight bar is shorter than the curvature would it not just fall into the curvature like how the moon falls into the curvature of spacetime caused by the earth, but how would that bend the straight bar.Why would not an electron not follow the mass gravity of a straight bar bridging across the curvature instead of following the curvature caused by gravity and flowing along the curvature. What trying to say is everytime a powerline is installed its kind of like a straight bar crossing over the curvature of the spacetime of the earth. Actually the gravity is greater closer to the earth yet the cable is straight and the energy flows thru the straight bar like cable powerline.Its like there is a curvature within the earth but we put electricity thru lines that are not bending yet the electricity is not curving but flowing thru the power lines. Just because your local cable company installed fiber optic lines near staight over the curvature of the earths space time does not mean these lines are going to bend due to the curvature of the earths spacetime within the earth!

Lets say the universe has a center to it like Steven Hawkins say the earth could be the center of the universe. However a straight bar that would not bend is more like the flatness of the expansion of the universe its like the believed unclosed expansion of the universe with the earth being at the center.Which is more likely a scientific reason why all stars redshift from the earth and a straight rod projecting out from the earth could not return to the earth because its projecting out from the center of a flat universe with the earth being the center of the universe and all other parts of the universe not centers. Steven Hawkins himself acknowledged the earth could in fact be the center of the universe.The reasons they don't go there is because Hawkins, Hubble are athiests so they developed multiple centers in the big bang theory instead of the logical conclusion based off redshift.Hubble said they had to think of another reason to explain the redshift other than the logical conclusion based off the evidence that the earth is the center of the universe.However the universe has been proven to be a flat universe it would have to be a curved universe for a continuing projecting straight rod to leave the universe flatness. Because flatness is part of straightness given the universe is flat not curved the straight rod will stay within the universe expansion infinitely if the universe is not closed?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Earth center of our flat universe!http://www.halos.com/...ter-of-the-universe-320x240-273k.htm Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

I know wikipedia is not a reliable source but it seems to be saying that in a flat unclosed universe that the time cone is only projected forward. That an object can not move instantly to another location. Its only a curved universe black hole it appears that an object could move to another location where the end could meet the beginning.The problem with the rod turning back upon itself is the rod is travelling thru a flat universe. Galaxies appear not to be moving just time dilation or the cone is being projected forward just like an hypothetical straight rod projecting forward.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++A high-flying balloon that soared over Antarctica has answered one of cosmology's greatest questions by revealing that the fabric of the Universe is "flat".http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/727073.stmIn "simple" examples of spacetime metrics the light cone is directed forward in time. This corresponds to the common case that an object cannot be in two places at once, or alternately that it cannot move instantly to another location. In these spacetimes, the worldlines of physical objects are, by definition, timelike. However this orientation is only true of "locally flat" spacetimes.A closed timelike curve can be created if a series of such light cones are set up so as to loop back on themselves, so it would be possible for an object to move around this loop and return to the same place and time that it started. An object in such an orbit would repeatedly return to the same point in spacetime if it stays in free fall. Returning to the original spacetime location would be only one possibility; the object's future light cone would include spacetime points both forwards and backwards in time, and so it should be possible for the object to engage in time travel under these conditions.Closed timelike curve - WikipediaEdited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Einstein did he not say spacetime can increase but when it does it brings its own energy. right? Thus is gravitational lensing not just the opposite nothing and energy being taken out of this universe did not see Einstein saying 3 dimensional objects being curved only spacetime. right? Like if your travelling in 3 D you have to account for the curvature of space moving forward in time but its not curving 3D. right? Its only spacetime thats being curved. right? The universe itself is it not 3d unclosed flat? Its like a straight 3D rod projecting within the flatness of our believed unclosed flat universe. right?P.S. Its like the earth goes 24 hours in time while spacetime moves 1000 years. So like thru spacetime dilation you could have an earth of 13,000 years with the spacetime of 65 billion years due to the curving of spacetime. It might well be the universe is young due the spirals of the galaxies have not yet unravelled yet the distances increasing due spacetime dilation stuff, etc... right?Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Think you've been watching to much star trek? I always thought the electron shield restricts electron flow through the time variants? Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.