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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 341 (487808)
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


What can we expect to eventually become reality according to the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress:
1. Forced unionism.
2. Socialized medicine.
3. Weaker smaller military.
4. Paramilitary civilian government controlled services required upon every young person.
5. So called (miss called) Fairness Doctrine essentially eliminating right wing talk shows in the media, highly expanding what is regarded as hate speech.
6. Increased Jihadist terrorism by terrorists who supported the Obama presidency.
7. Further undermining of the sovereignty of Israel.
8. Increased energy costs.
9. Excessive high coal standards which will essentially put the coal mines out of business.
10. Expansion of the EPA's influence to the point of more dependence of foreign energy.
11. Severe depression as the result of regulation and high taxes on business and the well to do who provide the jobs as they choose to close up rather than to comply.
12. Expansion of regulations on businesses.
13. Wider open boarders and expansion of rights etc to illegal aliens.
14. Highly expansion of UN powers over nations and diminishment of sovereignty of nations.
15. Billions of American $$ more committed to UN welfare for third world nations, including oppressive governments.
16. Reduction of freedom of religion via the Fairness Doctrine and other government regulations.
17. Totally leftist Supreme Court and circuit courts etc which essentially permanently embeds America into socialism and the leftist agenda relative to all aspects of life.
18. Expansion of anti-gun laws.
19. Phenominal expansion of Federal government power/control and diminishment of state and local government control.
IN SHORT, THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
YES, NATION OF ISLAM'S, JEHADIST'S, COMMUNIST PARTY'S, FORCED UNIONISM'S, UN'S, CHAVEZ'S CANDIDATE AND THE CANDIDATE OF MOST OF AMERICA'S OTHER ENEMIES, BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, "WILL CHANGE AMERICA," AS PROMISED.
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix last paragraph gramatically

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 341 (487865)
11-06-2008 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Rrhain
11-06-2008 1:53 AM


Regarding Apologies
Rrhain writes:
And when it doesn't happen, Buzsaw, will you come back here and admit that you were wrong?
You mean like all of those apologies I get from counterparts when they are shown to be wrong? How many apologies have you made over the years? I don't recall of any. I remember making a number of apologies; a couple of them fairly recently. They're all on the record somewhere in the EvC archives.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 341 (487866)
11-06-2008 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Chiroptera
11-06-2008 8:03 AM


Far Leftism
Chiroptera writes:
Obama isn't even far left compared to mainstream American opinion, either. He's quite centrist.
Yah sure. Case in point that you're wrong: The gay marriage defeat in Ca where 70% of blacks and a majority of latinoes helped uphold the majority traditional marriage values, contrary to Obama, who btw, is rated 4th most liberal member of Congress.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 341 (487949)
11-06-2008 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by petrophysics1
11-06-2008 2:04 PM


Re: Repeating history
petrophysics1 writes:
Don't worry, this empty suit will do the same a Clinton did. Try and push his BS agenda, and then we will have a Republican Congress in 2010 just like we did in 1994.
Hi Petro. I grew up at Lander Wy so we have quite a bit in common. Speaking of empty suits, even Tom Brokaw who helped him along to victory has him pegged as some kind of a mysterious creature. The difference in him and Slick Willy is that this global stealth Jihadist is a whole lot slicker and will truly make the whole world a new planet.
Mohammed's vision and mandate for an Islamic world of global government is well on it's way to fruition. Jihadists, global Islam, the Communist Party, black militants and about all of America's enemies were all dancing in the streets along with the political numbskulls here at home when Obamista won.
I'm not at all surprised about all of this. It's all in the Biblical prophecies. That's partly what motivated me to predict Obama as the likely new president way back in Oct/07 in the primaries when all of the pundits had him written off.
In the long run we don't have to worry, Democrat woman kill their offspring at a rate of three times that of Republican woman. In the end we will out populate them.
Well, that's a bloody observation but your valid point is well taken. The same goes with the gays who's lifestyle is dangerous to longevity and produces no offspring.
It might take some work and some time, but the la-la loonie liberals will lose in the end.
There comes a point of no return which brings to mind another prediction. Obama will work tirelessly throughout this first term to eliminate the vigilant talk show sentinels via the so called Fairness Doctrine, to entrench the union thugs via card check to take over the work force and support liberal agendas via union dues, to stack the courts, including the Supreme Court to enforce his agenda, etc, etc. Imo, that point of no return has just passed.
I can hardly wait to see the responses of the "government is my mommy and daddy" crowd to this post.
I've been here at EvC for over five years. It gets lonely here so when folks like you come aboard it's refreshing.
As an aside, Phat needs Obama, and a mommy and daddy,because I guess he has never grown up.
Phat is quite representative of the socialist types here who like to spread the hard earned $$ of the producers and employers to the non- producers and deadbeats who loudly demand the blessings of America without assuming the responsibilities.
Also,do you suppose when Straggler hears an Obama speech he discovers semen running down his leg? I wouldn't be surprised given what I've heard these mindless "ObamaMorons" say.
I have hopes for Straggler. He's an intelligent, energetic and fair minded young man who I have high hopes for if he can break out of the mindset which he has been programmed into.
So Buz, are you going to be an "ObamaMoron", and not worry about having to pay for gas or your mortgage because he is going to help you?
Or will you actually act and think like an adult?
I'm an old school senior of over three score and ten who works for all I get and willingly shares much of the overage with needful folks of my own choosing, many who happen to be oppressed blacks in Africa. (abe: Who knows; perhaps one of them is Obama's impoverished brother in Kenya.)
Something greatly missing in this forums participants.
For sure! Stick around my friend. Your good types are needed here for some balance.
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 341 (487962)
11-06-2008 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Zawi
11-06-2008 10:31 PM


Fixed OP Grammatically
Hi Zawi. Thanks for the heads up on grammar. I should have done a better proof read. I fixed it like I had intended it to be.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 341 (487983)
11-07-2008 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by subbie
11-06-2008 11:54 PM


Re: Fixed OP Grammatically
subbie writes:
Oh, so you intended to misspell "jihadist" and put apostrophes in five places where they don't belong?
1. You and your friends here would do well to read again with your heads cinched down. The five apostrophized words are possessive by the list of organizations relative to the candidate.
2. Btw, Jihad is a proper name as is Jihadist, properly capitalized.
3.
JIHAD (also written JE... - Online Information article about JIHAD ... JIHAD (also written JEHAD, JAHAD, DJEHAD) , an Arabic word of which the literal meaning is an effort or a contest . It is used to designate the religious ...
encyclopedia.jrank.org/JEE_JUN/JIHAD_also_written_JEHAD_JAHAD_.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 341 (487985)
11-07-2008 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Chiroptera
11-07-2008 7:07 AM


Re: Far Leftism
Chiroptera writes:
Except that Obama doesn't support gay marriage. So even your single counter-example (which wouldn't by itself refute my point anyway) is factually incorrect.
I understand he has indicated that he would not impose a gay marriage ban, citing the Constitution in one of his interviews which I heard. I don't know why he is concerned about the Constitution, given some recent comments regarding it's alleged problems which I also heard.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 52 of 341 (488129)
11-07-2008 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by kuresu
11-07-2008 12:06 PM


Important Question To Answer Here
Hey Buz, did you spew this invective against the previous democratic presidents in your lifetime? I'm assuming that would be FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, and Clinton.
Or have you simply become more spiteful, more hate-filled, more fear-mongering over time?
I'm glad you asked, Kuresu.
1. My concern is not about hateful invective. It's about alarming firsts regarding this mysterious creature which gullible and impetuous ignorant Americans have thrown the dice for to become top dog in the nation and for that matter, the world.
2. Even the mainstream media pundits like Brokaw are now, after the fact mumbling among themselves that we don't really know what sort of creature we have elected to the highest office to preside over us all.
3. This mystery man has refused to make public his birth certificate, his university thesis and other info relative to friends, school records, etc. We have no proof that he is not an immigrant which would prohibit him being president without his actual birth certificate. Decades of his life are under wraps as to public info. All we have is what he chose himself for his own political welfare to reveal in his books.
4. He promoted the installation of Kenya's present ruthless bloody Muslim dictator who has caused the death of hundreds including the burning of a Christian church with 50 people forced to stay in the burning church to die in the flames.
5. We all know by now about his Muslim, socialist and communist friends, associates and connections.
6. His ascendancy was accomplished by the millions which George Soros, socialist/Communist and would have been unlikely without his support.
7. His campaign has refused to reveal the sources of most of his millions of campaign funds which many of us believe came from Islamic oil money from abroad.
8. His church of 20 years was closely associated with Louis Farrakhan, the nation of Islam and black militarism/supremacy.
9. Just about all of America's prime enemies gleefully rejoiced at the Obama victory.
10. Islamic nations and peoples, i.e Islam regards Obama as a Muslim and they know what Islam teaches, i.e once a Muslim, born to a Muslim father, enrolled in a Muslim school. Why does he deny that?? (because he wanted to get elected) Only gullible non-Muslims think otherwise. Organizations such as Hamas would never endorse a bonafide Christian for anything, including local dog warden.
Kuresu, none of the above applied to the Democratic presidents which you named above.
Btw, my concern has nothing to do with race. I voted for Alan Keys a black when he ran and I send the larger share of my charity to help oppressed poor blacks in Africa, Haite and elsewhere as well as other oppressed races. I was jubilant over the appointment of black judge Clarence Thomas as well. He would have been a great president.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 341 (488130)
11-07-2008 9:01 PM


Talk Is Cheap For Obama
In response to comments by some here, talk is cheap, especially for this slick fellow. He says all things to all that by all means he may win. LOL on about 80% of his campaign rhetoric relative to taxes, energy, social issues, etc.

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 57 of 341 (488136)
11-07-2008 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by DrJones*
11-07-2008 9:44 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Dr Jones, your job now is to produce documentation that the actual birth certificate of Obama has been made public.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 59 of 341 (488139)
11-07-2008 11:26 PM


Obama Odinga Kenya Relationship
Documentation of my item 4:
4. He promoted the installation of Kenya's present ruthless bloody Muslim dictator who has caused the death of hundreds including the burning of a Christian church with 50 people forced to stay in the burning church to die in the flames.
Obama promoted violence in Kenya by supporting Muslim ruthless dictator, Odinga, minority election looser's bid for power as follows: Odinga lost the election and resorted to violence with Obama's blessings.
There are other enlightening Utube segments relative to this connection and other accessible at the sites.
This is important relative to topic in that ruthless Odinga who represents Kenya's 10 to 15 percent minority will likely be coddled by president elect, Obama. It's also a chilling indication of what might have happened in the US had Obama lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0&NR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhYg6i7VfuE&NR=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-m1w75fGo&feature=related

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 341 (488140)
11-07-2008 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by DrJones*
11-07-2008 11:13 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Thanks DrJones. I will have to go with that but the question of the blacking out and later somehow being fixed still leaves a question mark in my mind. Were there officials sympathetic to Obama involved? Likely not, but then with all of the other mystery relative to this guy who knows for sure??

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 67 of 341 (488157)
11-08-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by cavediver
11-08-2008 4:53 AM


Re: Obama Odinga Kenya Relationship
cavediver writes:
Proof please. You will not find it, becasue Odinga is Christian. How do I know? My number one employee is Luo and his family (very Christian) knows the Odingas
I stand corrected. Obama and his buddy Odinga both claim to be Christians but Odinga sides with the 10% minority Muslum militant faction in Kenya who want to impose Shariah Islamic law in the nation.
While Kenyatta was pro-West and sided with America in the Cold War, OO was a Communist who was aided and supported by the Soviet Union.
That's why Raila went to school in East Germany (born in 1945, he graduated from Magdeburg University in 1970), and named his first-born son after Fidel Castro.
Thus it likely won't shock you to learn that Raila has now made a deal for support from the Soviets' successors as world-champion enemies of the West and democratic freedoms: Moslem fundamentalists.
The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya.
It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila's election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two. Read them all, and be sure you're sitting down. Here's a sample:
b) Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.
c) With immediate effect dismiss the Commissioner of Police who has allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists to oppress the Kenyan Muslim community.
g) Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]
Again, read all of them, for others are just as bad or worse.
It may also not surprise you that Raila is not Moslem himself, but claims to be a practicing Anglican. Only a minority of Luo are Moslem (most are Christian). Kenya on the whole is Christian, with 80% of Kenyans either Protestant or Roman Catholic, while only 10% are Moslem.
And here is the biggest non-surprise: Raila Odinga has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Barrack Hussein Obama Junior.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.../kenyas_killing_fields

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 76 of 341 (488222)
11-08-2008 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Straggler
11-08-2008 2:31 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Straggler writes:
Does not the appointment of Rahm Emanuel, Jewish and very pro-Israel as well as a fellow Chicagoite, as chief of staff not suggest to you that things are not quite as black and white with Obama as you seem to think?
I've never alleged that Obama is not intelligent. He's very intelligent and slick. He's not stupid enough to appoint a Bill Ayers type to anything. Rahm Emanuel fit's the Obama ticket nicely. He's tough, feisty, intelligent, efficient and conveniently for Obama, a Jew. This sends a deceptive message to Israel and the world that Obama will not undermine Israel by favoring their enemies.
American Jews are largely leftist and Democrat. I believe the majority of the Jews who are messianic/Zionist have migrated to Israel, though I can't confirm that. I believe some of the Communists of the last century in European nations were Jews.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 78 of 341 (488232)
11-08-2008 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by kuresu
11-08-2008 2:48 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Kuresu writes:
So Al-Qaeda never endorsed McCain, but Obama, I guess.
The factors relative to Obama's aim to get US troops out of Iraq may be significant to Obama's policy to be implemented into the region.
1. If my conclusion that Obama is a Sunni Muslim as I understand his father and step father were is correct it may be that his interest is not the building up of a Shea nation to the extent that we are engaged in.
2. Imo, Obama intends to eventually undermine Israel as a major power in the region. So long as we are in Iraq with air bases there, committed to protect Israel, Israel will continue to be a hindrance to Obama's ambitions of a subdued Israel to effect total Muslim dominance in the region.
3. I believe Obama wants the US out of Iraq to undermine the Shea majority there and allow a Sunni return to power via civil war. I'm open to correction on this view. It's just my take on how I see it.
4. Al Qaeda is likely nervous about Obama's statements relative to Afghanistan, though likely if additional troops are sent to Afghanistan, I'm not sure how it will affect Al Qaeda which I believe is Sunni. Perhaps Obama's policy relative to additional troops in Afghanistan with him as Commander In Chief will serve to build up and entrench Sunni interests and infrastructure there with America's tax $$ as we have done for the Sheas of Iraq. Al Qaeda, like Shea Hezbolah may or may not benefit in the end.
Islamic factions can get complicated to figure out and predict.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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