Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government

I appreciate the links and info regarding Rahm, Straggler.Israel, Obama and Rahm all know that it's pretty much Israel vs the global UN body of nations so far as what happens to Israel. They also know that Israel is formidable in the region and not to be taken for granted.Obama's pick of Rahm was a wise and clever move, right off the bat. It would be foolish for him to begin the immediate undermining of Israel. The world body needs to understand that.Methinks Obama has connections with some of the key players in the Arab world who are aware of his long term strategy. I could be wrong, though we know he does in Kenya, for example. His global sweep was another really clever strategy for his campaign. Who knows what all was accomplished back stage during that political blitzkrieg.Rahm, the Jew, also knows that Israel must play ball with Obama. They have no choice. Rahm is not nearly as messianic/Zionistic as were his parents and grandparents. He is likely more politically secularistic and perhaps more global ideologically than they.That America has not been attacked by militant Islam during the Bush years is likely not so much that the Bush Administration has prevented it. It is that Jihadists have gone stealth. The strategy is to infiltrate the Pentagon and other governmental bodies. It is also to lend support to government entities which are more sympathetic to Islamic ambitions than to Israel's survival and welfare.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Comment on this in his speeches? Are you kidding? He's no dummy. Why would he do that? He purposefully stated in at least one speech that some of his ambitions would not be realized in his first term as President. His is a long term stealth plan.OBAMA, AMERICA'S FIRST STEALTH CANDIDATE, WILL BE AMERICA'S 1ST STEALTH PRESIDENT! Say so in his acceptance speech? Are you kidding? He's no dummy. Why would he do that? He purposefully stated in at least one speech that some of his ambitions would not be realized in his first term as President. His is a long term stealth plan.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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The difference is that Israel's is defensive, necessary for survival and the other is offensive and expansionist, un-necessary for survival.

Most who voted for him don't know beans about his ambitions/plans or just don't care. Stealth requires research and study. You go by the givens, i.e. his speeches, and other communication, his history, his associates, his mentors, and the other givens in his life, such as his Muslim heritage. There's plenty of it out there for verification. Some, of course, is false or unverifiable. You itemize what is credible and go figure.Hunter, your signature says you hunt for truth. If that's the case why are you going at this with your eyes closed? Did you bother to link into the UTUBE sites which I cited? It appears that either you haven't yet learned how and where to find truth or that you really don't want to acknowledge the truth.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Why don't you cite the whole context of your quote mined bit and be fair, Onifre? I thought you were above this sort of character smear crap.We all would have to agree that was either evolution or God who originated races, and you know, if you've been reading me that I am friendly with blacks and supported good blacks equally as with whites.Take your racism charges to Obama, his 20 year last pastor, his mega-church full of blacks and their buddy, (one of Obama's likeminded neighbors) Louis Farrakhan of the black separatist/militant/supremist Nation of Islam, all closely related and admired by Obama's late church pastor and people.If our new president elect was not racist why did he sit in (abe: with) and substantially support such a host of racists for all those years? Hmm???Edited by Buzsaw, : change message titleEdited by Buzsaw, : as noted

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Yada,yada. Now that you have that personal attack posted, anything of substance to say?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Chiroptera, I don't rule out conspiracy. History is rife with conspiracies. They succeed when the sentinels are asleep at their posts and the folks are asleep.Yes, I am convinced of conspiracy here. It may not appear so on the short haul, but the moles are busy under the surface chewing away at the root system and the leaves are beginning to wilt.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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I gave my take on the response, Fallicycop. That's it, for what it's worth to you. If you care to respond to the specifics of my message, fine. If not, why not forget it and move on to something of significance and topic worthy?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Bluejay, someday perhaps you will mature like your parents and become wise to what is likely going on. All Obama would've needed to do if he wanted to quell these allegations is to be as open as the McCain campaign was regarding donor lists. All of his oil rich Muslim nation supporters could have found ways to break up large blocks of support $$ into donations small enough to be legal. Maybe not, but if he were not STEALTH, he could have been open with the folks and shown himself to be honest and trustworthy.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Apples and oranges. Jesus was not like minded with the publicans and sinners. He came to save/evangelize them with his gospel. In order to do so he needed to make contact and mingle with them. He said that he came to save sinners, not those like the Pharisees who thought they didn't need his salvation. He went to the publicans and sinners for the purpose of making them new creatures. He and John the Baptist taught repentance.Obama's associates apparently were mentors and like minded ideologues with Obama and they weren't the kind of characters who any former president of the US would have been associated with whatsoever. If Obama had been a white man holding this baggage, he'd have never gotten past local dog catcher in public office.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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It is a given that Wright, Ayers, Dorn, Farrakhan etc are extremists. That's the flock Obama flew in with. Birds of an extremist feather here, obviously.Obama won. We all lose! Obama and his portrait goes in our White House!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Thanks, Onifre. Your points are well taken and do make sense in that the media which one ascribes to can have a bearing on one's ideology. It doesn't make sense though regarding bigotry. That my ideology happens to be the minority POV at this site does not make my ideology a bigot ideology or me a bigot. By that token, I could claim you people all as bigots simply because you don't see it as I do and you don't ascribe to much of the information which I get. I don't stoop that low, but honor your POV as above the level of bigotry.However, the vast majority of mainstream media is leftist, democratic and liberal. Likely it is about all most of the members here ever watch, hear or access on line. I get much of what you people get but you people get precious little of what I get. I'm the one who gets both sides of the stories.What folks here ascribe to bigotry in me comes not from unreliable sources for the most part.Often when counterparts demean and engage in name calling, labeling and posting substanceless meanspirited messages their response is to a message substantiated by a link to source or UTUBE clip. Rather than addressing points made in the link, too often it's just personal attack and yada about my alleged bigotry, racism or other nonsense.No matter how many times I cite valid reasons why I am not a practicing racist, for example, the lie is soon repeated that I'm racist just because the one I happen to be opposed to is half black.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Have you forgotten the scriptural accounts of his anger when he overturned the tables in the temple, his verbal assessment of the Pharisees and Scribes as snakes and whited sepulchers, his instructions for his disciples to shake the dust off the feet of certain ones who treated them unkindly, etc?Ned, Jesus was regarded by the pundits of his day so badly that they continually sought to do him in, which they finally accomplished.Jess's love was not blind. That he told them the unpopular truth which they needed to hear led them to crucify him, the penalty reserved to the most evil criminals.That's what I do here. I tell what I think you people need. Likely that is often what you people think you are doing for me. It's that we don't see things alike. That was so with Jesus and his antagonists, except that his antagonists were the ones who were by far the most intolerant ones who had no compassion.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Why then do you think I supported with a donation and voted for black man Allan Keys when he ran for president?Why then would I be sacrificing well over 10% of my income to Voice Of The Martyrs who in turn uses it to aid black destitute and oppressed folks in African Nation?Why don't you label Obama the racist instead of me, given he sat in a black supremest and black racist church with his full support to it and it's allegiance to the Nation of Islam, black supremest extremists along with the likes of racist Louis Farrakhan? Yet you're calling me racist for citing that either evolution or God caused the original separation of the races.Why do you call me a racist for pointing out a scripture that says something about the races? Those are not my words. I just cited them when covering the prophecy. Why did you cherry pick to make it appear as a racist statement when in that thread I covered some of what I've explained here and what I've had to explain adnausium to you people who like to demean and do your personal attacks against me repeatedly lying on the www about me being a racist?Why don't you acknowledge the fact that there is more racism observed with blacks than there is with whites in America? Why is it that such a high percentage of blacks voted for Obama because he was black skinned?Btw, two Christian black men were in a group who sang and ministered in our church last Sabbath three days ago. One of the black men did the preaching and impressed me so much that I handed him a $20 bill after the service to help him and his group along in their ministry. Our 7th day Baptist denomination has a pretty much all black congregation from Ontario who come and join us here in upstate NY on occasion when denominational events arise. We all in our church love all of these Jamaican descended black folks dearly and they minister in song and preaching in our churches on occasions. Do you think I would enjoy and love these brothers and sisters in Christ if I were practicing racism? Hmmm, Dr Jones??Is this, another reminder to you, enough to give you reason to put this racism personal attack lie to rest, or do we need to interrupt every thread in which I have a problem with the ideology of someone who is a black like our president elect, in order to repeat clearing up these false charges made against me?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Rant on, Jones. It's time to get back to topic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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