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Author Topic:   Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government
onifre
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Message 221 of 341 (489257)
11-25-2008 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Huntard
11-25-2008 3:57 PM


Wait...what...?
I for one am not. I've come to the conclusion it is best to ignore him.
I say let him go...I need the material.

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onifre
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Message 224 of 341 (489260)
11-25-2008 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Huntard
11-25-2008 5:09 PM


Re: Expectations based on actual news...
I am still amazed the USA held on to this system for such a long time.
This shouldn't surprise anyone. The only ones currently affected by privatized insurance in the US are the lower-middle class and the poor class. Two classes that our government has never been concerned with.
Why would they need universal insurance when the people who have the wealth and make the decisions aren't affected by it?
You can see how quickly money is poured in to save the stock market, and soon to the auto industry...but not to the health care system. How many people right now i the US could benefit health wise from just half of what is going to be spent to save Wall Street? .
When the wealthy feel the pain, laws are changed and government gets involved, when the poor feel the pain, no one gives a shit. I'll be very surprised to see universal health care in the US anytime soon. The Health Care lobby is too strong, and too influential, and all about the money.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 229 of 341 (489280)
11-25-2008 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Buzsaw
11-25-2008 7:33 PM


Re: Will BHO decriminalize marijuana?
Hi Buz,
usually illegal or transient Mexicans, bums and the lowest class non-productive citizens.
Man, you must be the coolest guy in the nursing home with this stuff. If you could just throw in the "N" word to that little tirad, huh?
Problematic drug abuse was quite efficiently dealt with.
Yeah, the same way homo-sexuality was dealt with, people hide from society and did it behind closed doors and lied to everyone. Please old man, there were plenty of drugs used by your generation and the one's after yours. What you have a problem with is coming to terms with the fact that a lot of people do it, you're having a problem with the reality of the situation. You prefer it kept in the "closet" so to speak, right?
As well, the Islamic, pagan and Eastern nations where pot was widely used were the poorest of the third worlders.
If you're old then you should know history man. Middle Easterners and Asians have been using drugs for thousands of years, if you know some history you can remember a time when they were not poor nations, in fact they were the wealthiest nations of their times. It can also be argued that they aren't so third world anymore.
See here,
http://www.noblemind.com/toptenlists/Wealthiest_Countries
3 of the top 10 countries are in areas "considered" third wold.
quote:
From article:
#3. Equatorial Guinea $50,200 (2005 est)
#4. United Arab Emirates $45,200 (2005 est)
#9. Guernsey $40,000 (2003 est)
Also note that we(the US) are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and also have one of the highest drug addiction rates, so wealth doesn't mean anything.
No, what we need is to get serious with the war on drugs,
To quote Bill Hicks, "Isn't it sad that there's a war on drugs and the people on drugs are winning?"
Dull potheads are irrational and often dangerous, too often problematic to any culture of civilization.
Right, like the rational and never dangerous and non-problematic alcoholics that LEGALLY get wasted and drive the highways throughout our great country?
Yeah, good ole alcohol, that stuff NEVER causes any problems.
It wouldn't surprise me if Obama is still a pot smoker and that he would work to legalize it in the US.
I would be surprised if he still uses it, he seems too up tight.
But, I doubt he can make it legal. Perhaps just for medicinal purposes but not totally legal.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 254 of 341 (489489)
11-27-2008 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by kuresu
11-27-2008 7:33 PM


Re: Socialized Medicine
To be further cynical, what's the point of being wealthy if you can't see people suffer while you get the best care available?
And you said I was too much? lol
Good post, I couldn't agree more with your cynicism.
Also, lets not over look the fact that health care doesn't affect the wealthy, so why would they care? In fact, they profit from it.

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onifre
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Message 262 of 341 (489888)
11-30-2008 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by kuresu
11-28-2008 3:30 AM


Re: Socialized Medicine
I would take that statement with a grain of salt
I don't know why, it's a pretty accurate statement.
as it's simply an extreme version of the attitude of why work if you'll never be able to show you're better?
I don't think I'd call that philosophy "extreme", in fact, I'd say it's the driving force behind industialization and capitalism.
Maybe it's not a conscious philosophy, but it's definitely a by product of a competitive market. It's is also an essential part of progress in a society. People need to know there are rewards for their efforts, that in turns drives the market into a competitive freenzy with everyone jockeying for the top position...kinda like a presidential election.
A little something called hyperbole.
Hmmm, I'd say it's a fair conclusion one could draw after observing modern societies. Work hard for the rewards and the glory is easy to observe, just look at US sports athletes, or MTV cribs, very few do it for the love.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 306 of 341 (500333)
02-24-2009 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Straggler
02-24-2009 7:09 PM


Re: Dronester Vs Buz
We seem to have Buz claiming that Obama is a secret, socialist, muslim, America hating, extreme radical terrorist wolf in sheeps clothing whilst at the same time Dronester is claiming that Obama is nothing more than a dissappointing clone of GWB.
That is typical of the misdirection in the US media.
Buz gets his news from local tv, and the folks at Fox and Friends, or any of the other generic, watered down, controled news outlets on US tv. That is why Al-Jazeera was not allowed here, people would lose their miinds if they knew certain facts about their puppet-like country/politicians.
Dronester gets his news by reading non-government controled news outlets - like Znews/Zcomm - that is one that I recognized.
Judge for yourself Straggler, which one sounds like hyped up garbage and which one sounds a bit more grounded in facts?

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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