Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness

The destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon“Then Isaiah said to Hezekiah, ”Hear the word of the LORD of Hosts: A time is coming when everything in your palace, which your ancestors have stored up to this day, will be carried off to Babylon; nothing will beleft behind.’””Isaiah 39:5,6, prophesied in732B.C.E.Jeremiah the prophet proclaimed: “I am going to ... bring them [the Babylonians] against this land and its inhabitants ... This whole land shall be a desolate ruin. And those nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.””Jeremiah 25:9,11, prophesied in625B.C.E.Fulfillment in 607B.C.E. (586B.C.E. according to most secular chronologies): Babylon destroyed Jerusalem after a year and a half siege. The city and temple were razed, and the Jews themselves were carried off to Babylon.They were release in 537B.C.E. by Cyrus the Great, who conquered Babylon,Isaiah 44:24-28 mentions Cyrus by name. It was written 200 years before cyrus was even born.

Ravin, its not really incredulity and the universe has every bearing on the existence of a dietyan early German astronomer of the 16th/17th centuries by the name of Johannes Kepler was himself motivated by his examination of the planetary movements to be a believer in a Creator, the more he studied the movements and structure of the planets, the stronger his faith became.Newton was one of the greatest scientific minds and he himself believed in a creatorso, to marvel at the universe is natural...its what makes every intelligent person conclude that there is an intelligent creator behind it

hi kuresu thats a very good point you make.
many people doubt the existence of God due to the inability of believers to explain convincingly their convictions.
To be convinced of the existence of a being we cannot see, our belief must be based on other things observed and on our accumulated personal experience.There is the law of cause and effect. Reasoning on the existing “effect,” creation, makes it evident that there must be some “cause” behind it.And what about life itself? Have you ever known life to come from any source other than existing life?then there is the inborn sense of right and wrong in all humans, there is a universality of right and wrong conduct no matter where we live or which nation we are born into...In fact, sophisticated civilized society in our own 20th century used the law of conscience to convict legally certain Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg.
Do you know of any laws that did not require a law maker?

im not saying that at all huntardim saying intelligent people have concluded that there is an intelligent creator behind it

those scientists noted how incredibly precise the universe isits not chaos out there...its orderly. A watch obviously has a cause or maker. A carefully designed timepiece reveals something about the cause. It reveals that it is the product of an orderly mind that has the ability to design.Yet we are able to set our clocks by the heavenly bodies. Their regularity, also the vibrations of certain atoms on this earth, allow us to adjust our clocks to within very tiny fractions of a second. Would not this superb design in creation also indicate intelligence?And have you ever known intelligence to exist apart from personality?

there is no argument and im not calling anyone stupid

if you and granny magda and huntard go back and look at my initial post, you'll see that i was talking about 2 intelligent men who believed in God and who studied sciencethis is why i said 'intelligent people conclude in an intelligent creator'Newton is not on trial here is he?

you claimed that christians cannot give an explanation of why they believe in a creatori've just given you 3 and they are not reasonable to youwell here is a wakeup call...they are reasonable to me and probably many other people who believe.1. life does not arise from non living matter
2. laws require a law maker
3. the law of cause of effect means something must have been the causeCan any scientist disprove these 3 realities?

i will stand by that. Intelligent people do believe in God and hopefully its because, like Kepler and Newton, they have studied and reasoned on the world around them and the realities of that world.

they are not compelling to you, fair enough...but can you disprove any of those 3 realities???

of course they are intelligent and i wasnt trying to imply that they were not, i was simply saying that intelligent people also believe in God.Any person who believes in a creator must by necessity believe that ALL humans are intelligent.When it comes to belief in God, there are only 3 types of people...those who do, those who dont and those who dont care.

Hi Cedre,well i wouldn't call it tremendous scientific input lolthey are powerful motivators for me anyway...im sure many other believers have reasoned on them too.

the question should be, does it work? Is it beneficial? Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

because he is the cause?

no, argument 1 says that life does not arise from non living matter. this is a fact and there is no way around it. It does not mean that life is eternal at all...it means what it says...that life does not originate alone. All life on this planet come's from pre existing life. This is observable in nature every day. One of the definitions of law given in Webster’s Third New International Dictionary is “the observed regularity of nature.”
Scientists today attribute the earth’s position in space primarily to the interaction of the law of gravity and the law of centrifugal force. So, there is no confusion... laws exist on paper and intangibly. Nature is regulated by these laws and laws dont just appear, they are devised. the law of cause and effect applies to everything. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This includes the universe...big bang?