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Topic: I Am Not An Atheist!
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 111 of 382 (497912)
02-06-2009 4:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 110 by onifre
02-06-2009 3:05 PM
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Re: Topic
Hi oni,
Onifre writes: No, I'm not saying you are ignorant. Sure you are even in the post I am replying too.
onifre writes: What makes your belief that current theories are being devilishly advanced for the purpose of deceit valid if you have no objective evidence to back it...? AND when the same kind of belief, when applied to theories in the past, has never been right...? What was the scientific theory before Galileo put forth his theory? The geocentric model which was held by Aristotle and Ptolemy. Were they ignorant or deceived? If deceived by whom? What was the scientific theory before the BB theory? Albert Einstien, believed in a static eternal universe. Was he ignorant or deceived? If deceived by whom? Who was fooling all those scientist? for hundreds of years? The earth is the devils kingdom at the present he is the prince and power of the air. The devil doesn't just fool people who believe in God he fool's everybody to get his end result. That being nobody accepting the free full pardon offered by God. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Re: Topic
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes: Your confidence in this is borne of ignorance. Not reason. If I am ignorant for believing God so be it. I had rather be ignorant and live in heaven and walk on streets of Gold than to have all the knowledge of Einstein, and all our modern scientist put together and spend eternity in a lake of fire. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 114 of 382 (497917)
02-06-2009 4:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Percy
02-06-2009 3:00 PM
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Re: For ICANT and Buzsaw
Hi Percy, Percy God created angels to do everything He desired them to do. I find where none had a choice. They were created to serve Him in whatever capacity He gave them. But being God He wanted more than obedience because of programing. Therefore He created mankind and gave him the choice to choose to serve Him because He is God. If man did not want to serve Him he could serve the devil. There are no other choices.
Percy writes: It does not have to make sense. And it doesn't.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The things of God are foolishness to the natural man. But to the spiritual man they make sense. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 119 of 382 (497924)
02-06-2009 5:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 113 by onifre
02-06-2009 4:41 PM
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Re: I changed my mind, you are ignorant
Hi oni,
onifre writes: They were limited in their knowledge, not deceived nor ignorant. I can accept that. Now my knowledge is limited and I have been here almost two years and have seen no facts to cause me to change what is known to me. There are 7 questions Here that I asked that had been asked by scientist. I have not seen any emprical evidence to solve those problemes. You have my email so if you have some you will like to inform me of I would apprciate it.
onifre writes: So, it would then logically follow that NOT believing in God and eternal salvation actually spares you from the devils deception. Thanks, ICANT, for validating my atheism.  Time will tell if you are correct. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 120 of 382 (497927)
02-06-2009 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 116 by Percy
02-06-2009 4:53 PM
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Re: For ICANT and Buzsaw
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: You said it doesn't have to make sense and I agreed. If you don't think it has to make sense, why do you keep trying to explain why it makes sense? The explanation was for the lurkers and those who may read this in the future. I thought I summed up the situation with the following statement.
ICANT writes: The things of God are foolishness to the natural man. But to the spiritual man they make sense.
Neither one of those have to make sense to you. But they do make sense to me. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 123 of 382 (497933)
02-06-2009 5:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 117 by onifre
02-06-2009 4:58 PM
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Re: Topic
Hi oni,
onifre writes: [ABE] Before I get accused of using the word ignorant wrong again, ICANT is not using the word ignorant to just mean "lack of knowledge", I have knowledge of God. I said I would rather have that knowledge and be classified as ignorant. Than to have all the knowledge of Einstein, and all our modern scientist put together. I am not an atheist. I am not an agnostic. I am a believer in one God. I have chosen to put my eternal destiny in the hands of the God of John 3:16, 17, and 18. I have had what every man desires, peace, joy, happiness and contentment all my life. IOW I am satisfied with my life and have accomplished all my desires. If when I die oni is correct and there is no God please explain to me what I will have missed. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 124 of 382 (497936)
02-06-2009 5:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 122 by Percy
02-06-2009 5:44 PM
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Re: For ICANT and Buzsaw
Hi Percy,
Correct. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 128 of 382 (497947)
02-06-2009 6:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 121 by onifre
02-06-2009 5:37 PM
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Re: Almost there
Hi oni,
onifre writes: So, maybe it would be best to start off at a beginner level rather trying to solve ALL of the cosmological issues right off the bat. At 69 there is not much time left. Because of that I rely on what the people in the know have to say to get my information from.
onifre writes: However, you, right here right now, can either admit that believing that the devil is manipulating science for the pupose of deceit has no objective evidence to support it, oni do you believe in God. Your answer would be no. oni why don't you believe in God? Your answer, well there is no empirical evidence for the existence of God. We could go around and around and we would eventually get to the point you would say: Well science has empirical evidence and therefore is trust worthy where a belief in an imaginary being is stupid. That empirical evidence you would say is trust worthy is what I was asking for. As it stands you think I am deceived because I believe in a faith based system which has no empirical evidence to support it. And I believe you are deceived because you believe in an empirical evidence system which you can not produce empirical, testable evidence to reach a point that what you believe comes to be a fact. Therefore you believe it by faith.
onifre writes: what makes your method better than the methods used in the past? I simply said I believe the devil is using anything and everything to keep people from accepting God's offer of a free full pardon. I think if you will check the history those other folks were doing what they did because the offending people was challenging what the church believed and taught. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Re: Topic
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes: You are being called ignorant because of the baseless assertion that all but you (and those few that believe as you do) have been deceived. You are being called ignorant because of the baseless assertion that your beliefs, and no-one elses, are immune to such deception. Straggler lets assume you were defusing a bomb and there was two black wires going to the detonator. If you cut the right wire nothing happens if you cut the wrong wire it explodes. There may be 34,000+ religious systems in the world but only one system is correct. Just like the bomb you better make the right choice. I don't have an option I must be right. If that makes me ignorant I can live with it. Because I would rather leave this world being that ignorant than to leave it with all the worlds knowledge.
Straggler writes: You can no more know what others know than they can know what you know. It does not make any difference what anybody knows. The only thing that matters is what God says. It does matter what we believe. We must believe and accept what God says or else. Just like the bomb. If there is no God there is no problem. Why do you think people desire that there be no God? God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 132 of 382 (497963)
02-06-2009 7:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by Buzsaw
02-06-2009 7:18 PM
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Re: To Believers
Hi Buz,
Buzsaw writes: does not mean that God has purposely dispatched the Satan to deceive the world. If that is not what his job is, what is his job? Was Peter wrong when he said:
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: But if his mission is other than deceiving all mankind into not accepting God's free full pardon, Why is God allowing so many to be deceived? Enlighten me Brother. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 134 of 382 (497969)
02-06-2009 8:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by onifre
02-06-2009 6:00 PM
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Re: Topic
Hi oni, Ignorant is always a lack of knowledge for me. Stupid is foolish.
onifre writes: I'm simply arguing against your position of science being manipulated by the devil for the purpose of deceit. Well since you don't believe in the devil why would you even entertain the idea that the devil was using anything for the purpose of deceit? God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 135 of 382 (497971)
02-06-2009 8:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 133 by onifre
02-06-2009 7:49 PM
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Re: Almost there
Hi oni,
onifre writes: You want to play this game? Ok. Then what OTHER scientific theories are being used to decieve man. Anything and Everything, right? Name one other. I do not know of another scientific one that is being discussed. But I do believe he is using Creationism to deceive people. And as I said I believe he is using the church to deceive people. He is using preachers to deceive people. In fact he has got more churches and preachers than God has. I tell my people not to believe a word I say unless they can find it in their Bible. I could tell them a lie. Many preachers do. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 137 of 382 (497983)
02-06-2009 10:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 136 by caldron68
02-06-2009 10:13 PM
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Re: To Believers
Hi caldron68,
caldron68 writes: it's the carnage that you have left in your wake.
So enlighten me on the "Massive slaughter" I have left in my past. Be very specific. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
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Message 140 of 382 (497987)
02-06-2009 11:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 138 by caldron68
02-06-2009 11:01 PM
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Re: To Believers
Hi caldron68,
caldron68 writes: Ok, how many children have you introduced to the concept of hell, the lake of fire, eternal damnation, torment, torture, everlasting pain and suffering? What does that have to do with Massive slaughter or corpses, especially those killed in battle.? But I do love to introduce them to my friend Jesus and tell them how much He loves them and wants them to love each other. But to answer your question I have introduced at least 2 that were born to my wife and myself to the love of Jesus and to the consequences of not being born again. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.7
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Message 142 of 382 (497990)
02-06-2009 11:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by Buzsaw
02-06-2009 11:02 PM
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Re: To Believers
Hi Brother,
Buzsaw writes: You know what a strawman is, don't you, brother? Yep, was just on a fishing trip.
Buzsaw writes: I believe that's in Ist Corinthians 15, about verse 52 or so without looking it up. Actually it was Peter who said:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. The next time you need to look up something try This In the search area you can type any phrase, if it is in the Bible it will give every instance of it. You can also change versions of the Bible.
Buzsaw writes: There is a raging war in the universe between Satan and his angels and God's kingdom. I am looking forward to the time when he will be chained in the bottomless pit for a thousand years and there is peace on earth. May God Bless You and Yours,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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