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Author Topic:   A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm
Hyroglyphx
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Message 101 of 297 (525928)
09-25-2009 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Cedre
09-25-2009 8:27 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
Name these millions of prophets along with the prophecies and also demonstrate that their prophecies were made before the events they prophesied would happen.
Only one need be proven false to debunk the entirety of the infallible claim. Look no further than than the prophecy of Tyre, which claims that Tyre would be desolate for all time. That, obviously, is not even remotely true, as today Tyre is still a thriving port.
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When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you... I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD. --Ezekiel 26
Not only is it inhabited, but it has been continuously inhabited since its inception. What's more it is not underwater and never has been. Completely false, which therefore makes it a false prophecy.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 113 of 297 (525969)
09-25-2009 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Cedre
09-25-2009 9:23 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
Sorry this thread is not dedicated to biblical prophecies there are threads I understand that deal with those.
You asked for a demonstration concerning, specifically, prophecies. So I provided it. Now what of the prophecy of Tyre? Or should I assume that you don't like the implications?

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 140 of 297 (526221)
09-26-2009 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Cedre
09-26-2009 5:58 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
I don't agree with you here, there is enough convincing evidence on this clips clearly hinting at the reality of the supernatural realm, I think your merely in denial.
Cedre, I think the denial is on your end. This guy is a charlatan, a swindler, a crook, a false prophet, and not even a remotely convincing one. There are many Christians in African nations who feel the same way, warning that he's here to fleece the flock.
Show your audience a CLEAR prophecy that he predicted, versus his anecdotes where he says in front of his congregation, Oh, I predicted that, and then maybe he'll establish more credibility.
You're one step away from joining or starting a cult. This is how it begins, brother. This is exactly how new religions spring up.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 179 of 297 (526413)
09-27-2009 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Cedre
09-26-2009 10:17 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
What am I denying, am I denying what I see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears, am I denying what many different groups and people have confirmed, there is no evidence against this man, his prophetic claims and miracles are confirmed in news paper articles, and are captured on video and archived but before this they are broadcast live throughout the world and this is confirmed by such news agencies as Africa news
Cedre, this is ridiculous and I feel sorry for you that you are so easily manipulated by this kind of nonsense.
This is not a prophecy, he's playing a game of odds.
He doesn't give a specific time, he doesn't give a specific place, all he says is that there will be a flood somewhere in the world. Well, I am over-fucking-whelmed!!! Amazing!!! Wow!!!
Everyone knows there is a monsoon season somewhere in the world. All he has to do is vaguely state that there will be a flood, and presto!, there will be a flood somewhere simply because it is a statistical destiny.
There will always be a flood somewhere.
If he gave a specific location and a specific date and time, that would lend more credence to his claim. He doesn't commit to that much detail because it's not a prophecy, it's just a matter of time before the next localized flood hits somewhere in the world, especially during the rainy season.
What makes it even more disgusting is that he waits for a flood that can does kill people just so he claim that he was right. So in essence he prays for such disasters.
Listen for yourself how vague and nondescript he gives his prophetic utterances!
Give me a break...

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 184 of 297 (526530)
09-28-2009 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Cedre
09-28-2009 8:13 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
can you give an argument that shows that it is ridiculous and nonsense its not enough to say it is?
I just did... Stating that there is going to be flooding somewhere in the world isn't a prophecy, it is a prediction based on natural weather patterns.
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This is not a prophecy, he's playing a game of odds.
You must prove that assertion, how sure are you that he isn't really receiving this revelations from God?
How can I prove something did not happen if it in fact did not happen? That would be the same as saying prove that no purple dinosaurs live in outer space. Secondly the burden of proof lies with you, as you are the one claiming that it is a revelation of God.
I can see that this is really upsetting you causing you to employ foul language
It's just so silly. Using "foul" language does not in any sense denote that I am "upset," just absolutely incredulous at how a grown man can be so easily fooled.
the prophecy you are referring to is remarkable in that it gives two locations in which floods are to occur, and just two days later floods occur in two locations that correspond to the locations given in his prophecy.
I just showed a video of him. Show where he gives two locations. Even supposing he did, all one has to do is look at the weather and can determine what is going to happen 2 days out. That's like predicting a hurricane is going to hit 2 days prior. NOT a prophecy, just technology.
Not everyone knows that.
Like people in his congregation?
And he did not vaguely state that a flood would occur he gave two locations he clearly stated only one nation from Asia will be flooded and that's what happened two days later and he also stated that a tourist hot spot at the extreme end of the border. Giresun, the site of the second flood, is a province of turkey on the black sea coast. it was founded on a peninsula — the extreme end of the border exactly as Prophet T.B. Joshua had prophesied.
Cedre, Asia is the largest continent on planet earth! Talk about being vague and unspecific! Not to mention it has high tourism year round. Had he said Giresun, Turkey was going to be hit a few months or years in advance, that would better serve to prove his "prophecies." Not "Asia" or 2 days in advance, because all you have to do is follow the weather.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 188 of 297 (526548)
09-28-2009 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Cedre
09-28-2009 9:29 AM


Re: An honest look at the evidence
Why didn't weather stations predict this events and save many lives.
The better question is why didn't HE warn the people of Asia of such impending doom? Or an even better question, why did TB's loving God kill all those people?
the fact is without evidence that TB Joshua guessed all of this events, quite accurately by the way, he said only one nation Fro Asia would be hit and only one nation was hit, not two not three, without any evidence you cannot claim he guessed it.
If he knew only one Asian country was going to be hit, why couldn't he say which one? That's because he's not a prophet. He's just playing the odds. The only thing miraculous is that you believe this kind of nonsense.
You are mistaken about the burden of proof, its on you to prove that TB Joshua isn't receiving this revelations from God
No my friend, the burden of proof lies with whom makes the declaration, which was you. You said this was a miracle and a revelation of God, all of which you can't prove.
The size of this places is irrelevant
It absolutely is not irrelevant. If I'm standing on the edge of the Atlantic ocean and claim that my rock will hit the water, that doesn't take hardly any skill or accuracy, does it? If I narrow my throw and prediction to a tiny object floating hundreds of meters away, it then becomes much more difficult, no?
Same principle here. Saying a flood is going to hit somewhere in Asia is like saying when day we're all going to die. It is an inevitability not an anomaly. Had he given the specific town well in advance, THAT might appear more miraculous.
the bottom line is just after two days of making his prophecy about a nation in Asia being struck by a flood, a flood struck India.
Wow!!! What a miracle!
You know what I think, I think the reason TB Joshua didn't give a specific time frame for this particular prophecy is because he knew it would be fulfilled just after two days. And he mentions tourist in relation to the second location by the way.
I think he didn't give a specific time or place because he's full of shit and he's just fleecing his flock. The man is a charlatan, Cedre. He's fleecing his own flock, just like Jesus warned about.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 189 of 297 (526549)
09-28-2009 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Izanagi
09-28-2009 9:52 AM


Re: My Prediction
I hope that one day you will be my disciple, Cedre.
Your disciple?
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"Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. -- Matthew 24:4-5

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 195 of 297 (526580)
09-28-2009 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Izanagi
09-28-2009 11:20 AM


Re: My Prediction
Well, follower might be a better word. Either way, I expect Cedre to hail me as a prophet once my prophecy comes true.
I sure hope you're joking.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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