A Modern Day Miracle Man - Establishes the Supernatural Realm

Yes he did this in his first prophecy he asked people to pray on 24 April, he didn't say the prophecy would be fulfilled on that day, he just asked his congregation to pray on that date. So I don't know what your point is with this one. But I'm sure its not evidence for anything. This isn't really an argument, he had already repeated the warning once plus his repetition of the prophecy was clear enough that a family would enter a plane and the plane would crash, therefore the prophecy in itself doubled up as a warning, and any family that was planning to go into a plane of late specifically on a Friday, and had heard the prophecy would have thought twice before getting into a plane on a Friday. So there was no need for TB Joshua to explicitly give a warning since the prophecy in itself was a warning. Therefore this doesn't serve as evidence for your argument. whichever one is the more plausible meaning, that's not important because according to you adding a specific date would be begging the question and create an implausible argument, here are your exact words concerning this: and here was my reply to it finally I have another suggestion, "Friday of the month" could also supposed to have said, (if something in fact was omitted) as "On a Friday of the next month" this is sounder English, and it is supported further by the fact that the crash did happen on a Friday of the next month.
I already dealt with your last so-called proof. So when all is said and done you don't have much of an argument left.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

There is no reason to suggest that they are impartial just because they don't live up to your world view. I don't have any links to lead you to, however I will ask you to buy a proper dvd package detailing all of these prophecies from their web store on scoan.com. I would also like to mention that this dvd's are recordings of live Sunday broadcasts, seen in many parts of the world. Therefore not only is there video evidence, but there is also eye-witness evidence. Since thousands view this live broadcasts on Emmanuel TV in Africa and around the world there is amble evidence to confirm their legitimacy.

Interesting theory, but not likely, this prophecies are made during life broadcasts, and in front of skeptics, doubters and critics. Not everyone who goes to a SCOAN meeting is there for the word you know, and since thousands of random people attend the SCOAN from all over, to pull such a stunt is not only risky but foolish. If the recordings were messed with the thousands of people that were in attendance and were viewing live can point it out. What evidence can you provide for your claim. How do you know there were cuts. I have seen many SCOAN productions and their videos are of good sound and picture quality that footage you saw is probably of poor qaulity that is why I suggested you get a dvd version from the SCOAN.

Hahaha, God isn't limited by time, it doesn't matter on what date the prayer was held, you are trying to imply that the prayer would only have been effective if it was said on the day of the accident. The prophet merely gave the people a date on which to pray. If you want to go into a discussion of what was the point of praying on any other day other than the day of the accident, we would begin speculating again. From the relevant passage its clear that 24 April was only the day on which the prayer was to be held, there is no indication in that passage that suggests that that was the day on which the prophecy would be fulfilled. This isn't a valid argument because like I already said the prophecy in itself is a warning and any family that was planning to travel during that time would perceive if it as a warning. There is no need for him to be explicit. The prophecy serves as a warning it is saying what will happen if you board a claim on a Friday. The fact is there is nothing in there, in the statement that suggests that the thing had already happened. Haha I think your ditching your former meaning because you know you made a blunder, lets take a look at what you said: What could this statement possibly mean apart from what it says, its clear, and basic English that you have used. arguing that he didn't mean 22nd May BECAUSE the crash happened on the 22nd May IS also question-begging ! Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Name these millions of prophets along with the prophecies and also demonstrate that their prophecies were made before the events they prophesied would happen. Go ahead. It's still pretty accurate and that in itself is amazing, plus don't forget the very short time that elapses between the time of the prophecy and its fulfillment. No amount of rattling will water down the accuracy of his prophecy.

So far TB Joshua has not had one unfulfilled prophecy, and all of them were fulfilled within short amounts of time. Some just a few days difference like two or three days, one in fact happened on the same day it as prophesied.

Like I showed in my previous post that you sloppily ran through, because if you had read I pointed out why the day of prayer means nothing as far as Christianity is concerned only Muslims and possibly other religions have stimulated prayer times. As for Christianity a prayer is all the same effective whether done on a Monday or a Friday. Therefore your use of the day of prayer as evidence fails because the time of prayer is irrelevant in Christianity. and also the textual evidence only suggests that TB Joshua appointed 24 April as the day of prayer not the day on which the prophecy would unfold. You have no evidence. i took your little argument it reaped it to shreds. If you missed where I have done this please read all my previous replies to you. Why do you keep assuming that TB Joshua knew the very day of the crash. He probably didn't know the exact date that tragedy would happen, and there is no evidence that he did know this data, thus your argument fails, here even before it can take off. He could also have meant "on a Friday of the next month" I'm only speculating.

Like I showed in my previous post that you sloppily ran through, because if you had read I pointed out why the day of prayer means nothing as far as Christianity is concerned only Muslims and possibly other religions have stimulated prayer times. As for Christianity a prayer is all the same effective whether done on a Monday or a Friday. Therefore your use of the day of prayer as evidence fails because the time of prayer is irrelevant in Christianity. and also the textual evidence only suggests that TB Joshua appointed 24 April as the day of prayer not the day on which the prophecy would unfold. You have no evidence. i took your little argument it reaped it to shreds. If you missed where I have done this please read all my previous replies to you. Why do you keep assuming that TB Joshua knew the very day of the crash. He probably didn't know the exact date that tragedy would happen, and there is no evidence that he did know this data, thus your argument fails, here even before it can take off. He could also have meant "on a Friday of the next month" I'm only speculating.Remember earlier I said that its possible that TB Joshua might not have known the actual date of the prophecy's fulfillment only that it was a Friday, so if he did honestly think it was the 24th April(there is nothing that suggests that he thought this was the day by the way), that doesn't mean his prophecy was mistaken, no it means he wasn't sure if it was that Friday or the next.

If they are not someone will speak up. listen here it is highly unlikely I mean highly that out of all the thousands of people that attend the SCOAN meetings not even one critic is present, but the fact is critics do attend the services and in large amounts, just some time back a critic from Europe attended the services and came back with the conclusion that the works of this man are genuine there are many other documented cases of critics who attend the SCOAN even murder attempts. Now what I would like to say is this, critics and haters and skeptics and everyone want to verify if this guy is a fraud or the real deal, its only likely that in the case of a prophecy they would jot down his exact words that in case the prophecy fails they can use that against his ministry.Truly it is highly unlikely that people don't jot down his prophecies as he tells them. Just use your mind here.As to the clip ,I can't view it, my server won't allow it. But I encourage to get the original tapes from the SCOAN web store with better quality and if you still see the cuts there, you have reason then to be suspicious.

Sorry this thread is not dedicated to biblical prophecies there are threads I understand that deal with those.

I'm tired of responding to the same old rehashed and tired out arguments that you keep on presenting as some kind of support for your claims. Non of them impress me, and After this response I'm not going to respond to them again. [qs]You fail to address my rebuttal. TB Joshua was the one who said to pray on a specific day - not me. He felt that it was somehow important to pray on that day rather than another. THAT is my point ![qs] I did not fail I addressed each and every point you made, on the other hand you have so nicely avoided many of the points I raised in my posts, a dumb thing on your part as it indicates that you cannot answer them.About the day, I already said I'm not going to speculate about it, I gave a very good reason as to why dates don't matter for Christians as gar as praying is concerned. We serve a God who can effectively answer a prayer on any day. You may claim that I'm not answering your post but claiming it doesn't prove anything until you show me how I haven't answered your posts. You obviously will not admit it here, but aside you know that your so-called arguments are really not arguments just guesswork, all of it, adding words, presuming to claim what the prophet meant etc. You got nothing, and I know by now that you will refute this but anyone who has read our chat thus far will agree with me here. That is a streamed clip, I won't take it seriously until I get to see the original. And Like I said Many people want to see the downfall of this man, and would have spoken up by now if anything was editted out. I don't believe this I know it, thousands of people in attendance and other thousands watching, it would be impossible that they would not point out something like this. If people have such incriminating evidence as this against the prophet then why on earth do they continue to pledge their money into his ministry. I only said that to counter your inclusion of the word last in the phrase. it never made up my original argument, read my first few posts and you will see this. It doesn't go against my idea because I never stated he knew the exact date, you stated this when you said "Last Friday of the month". And your addition is also based on speculations, not any evidence. I tackled each one of those reasons and they are not good reasons they are based on speculation, adding words, presuming things you cannot possibly know. I'm not going to deal with this prophecy again, You couldn't falsify it, and it stands as a fulfilled prophecy. In getting the day right the type of plane right and the kind of family right but most importantly the short period of time that elapsed between the prophecy and its fulfillment. You are in DENIAL of the clear evidence that establishes the supernatural realm. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

[qs]Why? How would they know, how could they prove it? Do they have the live uncut tape? If they do, or anyone else does, why is it not out there?[qs] They would now for the reasons I mentioned, please I have dealt with this charge already in a winning manner. Thousands of people were in attendance on the day of this prophecy and many watched via cable. I'm sure very sure that since it was a prophecy they either jotted it down somewhere, and they would not easily put it out of their minds but be watchful and alert for any fulfillment of the prophecy, in fact they were asked to pray on this particular prophecy and because of that also they wouldn't easily forget what it entailed. This doesn't prove anything it doesn't prove that the same thing is going on at the SCOAN until you have evidence that this is going on your claim is but only a claim. We are talking about thousands of people here its highly unlikely that all will be deceived if any deceiving is going on. the I suggest you do some asking around and please like I said order the dvd's from the web store. Each of these Sunday services are broadcast live to this day. In that case why do you complain. If you don't wanna make an effort to confirm this prophecy stop complaining.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

How can you be sure that nobody has recored it, just because it doesn't appear on the web it doesn't mean that nobody has recorded it. It doesn't mean that because it is possible to be duped that the SCOAN is involved in duping people, you would think this because what goes on inside that church disagrees with everything you love and hold dear. If that's your final decision then I have no say in it. But I still think it would be wise to buy the original and compare it with the streamed clip you presented here. I understand your strong desire to be very sure of the facts before accepting anything, but you are being very unfair, because you are approaching this issue with a clear-cut prejudice, you are not after the truth, in my opinion, its evident. From the start you have concluded that this guy must be charlatan, even before letting the evidence speak, that is why you don't want to secure anything from his web store, because you believe that he is a conman. you not neutral its clear, what happened to innocent until proven guilty. Your not even willing to give this guy the benefit of a doubt. In your mind he is already guilty as charged, a conman, a charlatan. This ins't the attitude of someone who is after the truth. This isn't true I don't want you to blindly believe anything I don't blindly believe anything as well. I want you to approach the evidence open-minded and not with your current bias. Just because those people get deceived it doesn't mean the people at the SCOAN are also deceived, or it doesn't mean that because physics and other faith healers deceive that TB Joshua is also deceving people. You like stereotyping people. Which isn't right. Not everyone is a liar, a deceiver a charlatan.This were prophecies that were made not miracles performed we are talking about something that was said its unlikely that thousands of people won't remember what was said.

I gave you a whole lot of links even a link to Time that refers to turboprops as jets. people commonly refer to them as jets with turboprops-jets even Time Magazine.

comments and remarks do not double up as proof for whatever you're trying to demonstrate. This is an unreal statement as it relates to the specific and accurate prophecies of TB Joshua, that are broadcast live to the world before they come to pass. There is nothing ambiguous about the above-cited prophecy or the other prophecies TB Joshua is responsible for, especially this one is as clear as daylight mentioning specific dates and the type of events connected to them. Even likely events are not guaranteed to happen everyday. So therefore this argument cannot effectively be used against the prophecies of TB Joshua that not only name specific dates, are accurate and are fulfilled within a relatively short period, like the the above-cited prophecy that predicts a chain of aviation accidents, spotlighting the day on which these chain of accidents will instigate and the day on which it will cease. Aviation accidents by the way are not totally likely events they are uncommon even though they occur. To demonstrate this I will provide you with a few stats from planecrashinfo.com, according to this site the number of recorded fatal plane crashes involving commercial aircraft from 1950-2008 is 1,300.After carrying out a bit of grade school mathematics I arrived at the following results:There has been close to 58 years between 1950-2008, in total these 58 years consisted of close to 21199 days. Assuming each individual crash corresponds to one day, only 1,300 days in this period of time witnessed a plane crash the remaining 19899 days were accident free excluding non-fatal crashes. In view of this facts, plane crashes although they do occur are rare events, and may not occur for months at a time. Therefore to assert that TB Joshua takes common events and prophecy on them and use that as an argument to disqualify his prophecies is outlandish. Like I said even common events don't happen on a daily, weekly or even a monthly basis.What makes the prophecy about the plane crashes so incredible is the fact that it predicted the exact dates, not date, but dates on which the crashes occurred with frightening precision. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.