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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2
Joseppi
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Message 126 of 295 (577718)
08-30-2010 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by ICANT
08-24-2010 9:11 PM


Re: Still Inconsistent
quote:
At the end of this light period there was two heavens.
Genesis 1:2 says that darkness was upon the face of the deep. God allowed no light in the deep until he said..Let there be light.
The deep was a place in the singular heaven.
Edited by AdminPD, : Fixed quote box

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Joseppi
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Message 127 of 295 (577719)
08-30-2010 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by ICANT
08-24-2010 9:11 PM


Re: Still Inconsistent
quote:
ICANT: How can you get 24 hours between the evening in Genesis 1:2 and the morning in Genesis 1:5.
Who's trying?
Genesis 1:2 was the indeterminate period of time between the creation of the earth and heaven and the creation of our present cosmos.
It was in that indeterminate period of time during which rebellion in heaven arose in the process of time.
quote:
ICANT: According to my caculations that is 12 hours at best unless you are in the vicinity of the North Pole.
There is no implication in the text that a north pole existed yet at that time.
quote:
Before you can have an evening you have to have a period of light.
And that occured after Genesis 1:2.
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Joseppi
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Message 128 of 295 (577722)
08-30-2010 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by ICANT
08-24-2010 9:11 PM


Re: Still Inconsistent
quote:
ICANT: God dwelled somewhere before He created the Heaven and the Earth.
God dwelt somewhere before he created the heaven and the earth. God doesn't need a house, never did, never will.
What the capitalized "Heaven" of verse eight signifies is God's intention to come down and dwell on the earth with man. This accomplishment is prophesied in the book of the Revelation.
At that time until today God dwells in heaven with angels and the hosts of heaven.
The three heavens of which Paul speaks is...
1) The atmosphere of the earth.
2) The cosmos in which the earth dwells.
3) The heaven where God's throne is.
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ICANT: God came and dwelled on earth in the human form we call Jesus.
And Jesus will come again to establish God's throne on earth forever in the culmination of a new heaven and a new earth. Where once again a singular heaven and a singular earth will exist.
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ICANT: Now where is any reference to God dwelling in our atmosphere?
God's throne will be on the earth not up in the sky. Read...the book of the Revelation.
Also, note that Solomon in his dedicatory prayer concerning the temple he built in Jerusalem expressed this understanding.
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ICANT: As has been pointed out the Hebrew that Moses used when he wrote Genesis did not have capital letters.
The use of capitalization to mark ownership and other things is not required. The translators of the Bible disagree with your opinion and noted what they discerned the Hebrew text to be stating.
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Joseppi
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Message 129 of 295 (577723)
08-30-2010 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Coragyps
08-24-2010 3:29 PM


Re: Chronology
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Coragyps: Wouldn't it be the "plain reading" that Adam had to be awake to be put into a "deep sleep?"
Yes.
But, once again you like others are confusing creation with generation by disregarding the topic change presented in Genesis chapter two...which is..."generations."
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Joseppi
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Message 130 of 295 (577724)
08-30-2010 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by jar
08-24-2010 9:29 PM


Re: Still Inconsistent
quote:
Jar: Nothing in Genesis 2 refers to Genesis 1.
Exactly. Chapter one is about creation. Chapter two is about the generation thereof, as the text informed all readers.

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Joseppi
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Message 131 of 295 (577726)
08-30-2010 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by ICANT
08-24-2010 9:51 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
ICANT: The Hebrew word bara' primary meaning is create, shape, form and is used when an entity did not exist.
The chosen meanings of words are determined by context not by dictionaries.

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Joseppi
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Message 132 of 295 (577728)
08-30-2010 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by jar
08-25-2010 1:52 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
Jar: The creation in Genesis 2 didn't happen 6,000+ years ago either.
Testimony trumps any assumptions scientists make.

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Joseppi
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Message 133 of 295 (577729)
08-30-2010 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by jar
08-25-2010 3:51 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
Jar: Nothing in Genesis 2 refers to Genesis 1. They are two different myths written by two different cultures at two different periods in time. Further, the myth found in Genesis 2&3 was written hundreds of years if not thousands of years before the fable written in Genesis 1.
Opinion.
quote:
Jar: There is no continuity or relation between the myths.
Again. Mere opinion lacking any basis.

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Joseppi
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Message 134 of 295 (577731)
08-30-2010 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by purpledawn
08-25-2010 8:35 PM


Re: Light and Darkness Metaphors
quote:
PurpledawnThe narrator said he rested, not that he continued to rest.
Have you presented anything that says God started creating again afterwards?
This is in regard to CREATING not forming, nor generating, nor any other act that operates on created things.
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Joseppi
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From: New Albany, In, USA
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Message 135 of 295 (577733)
08-30-2010 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by AdminPD
08-26-2010 11:55 AM


Re: Created and Formed
quote:
AdminPD: Here is the thread concerning created and formed.
A thread is required to understand the difference between the word "create' and "form"?
Nonsense. Unless clay is created nothing can be formed with clay.

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Joseppi
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Message 136 of 295 (577735)
08-30-2010 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by jar
08-26-2010 1:30 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
The witness that supports my assertions is called physics and the earth. This earth was created after the sun and as part of the process of creating this solar system. It is all just the result of physics.
There is no magical forces in physics creating solar systems nor any other conglomeration of objects. Gravity is too weak to originate any assembly of anything.
And there is no filter mechanism by which to produce the planets as they now exist.
However, an intelligent and powerful God can arrange things as needed.

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Joseppi
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Message 137 of 295 (577737)
08-30-2010 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by kbertsche
08-26-2010 2:48 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
kbertsche: Thus it often is translated "and then" or "then" instead of "and."
And the text in English proves this. What many are doing is using the word..."And" as if it meant "And then". Which it of course doesn't.

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Joseppi
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Message 138 of 295 (577743)
08-30-2010 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Coragyps
08-26-2010 3:57 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
Coragyps: According to the witness of the rocks that your man-in-the-sky supposedly created. That evidence is reproduced in mines and oil wells and archaeological digs and basements all over the world!!
The rocks of the earth reveal that a global flood occurred. The rocks do not present the absurd notion that a filtering of constituents occured over great lengths of time.
All filtering of material is accomplished by gravity in a water medium while all the materials are present and accounted for, and the currents of water are attenuated.

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Joseppi
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Posts: 50
From: New Albany, In, USA
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Message 139 of 295 (577745)
08-30-2010 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by jar
08-27-2010 6:07 PM


Re: Chronology
quote:
Jar: Genesis 1 says the Sun was created on day four.
Genesis 1 says the Earth was created on day 1.
That is impossible.
Personal incredulity in not a argument.
There is no physical reason why the sun was needed till day four.

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Joseppi
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Message 174 of 295 (581378)
09-15-2010 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by jar
09-04-2010 2:48 PM


Jar said: The first day. The Heaven and the earth get created.
Heaven is not capitalized until the eighth verse.
The heaven and the earth were created in the beginning recorded in the first verse.
The heaven in that first verse is singular and there was no division into the other two heavens at that time.
Heaven in capitalized in verse eighth to inform the believer that God's intention was to eventually put his throne on earth and dwell there.

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