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Author | Topic: YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Amlodi, you're right. I wasn't thinking. However, after Cyrus ordered the temple to be repaired in the 5th century until and after Artaxerxes, King of Babylon allowed Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem the temple worship was somewhat intact and my understanding it was after this time of a measure of revival that not much was going on in the southern kingdom all the way down to after Christ when they were destroyed and scattered. It was these last three or four centuries that the name became unspoken, from what I can determine.
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-15-2003]
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: When copying scripture, the scribes were required to copy a letter at a time, looking at the text and copying by the letter, not the whole word. This is how careful they were to get it right.
quote: To which books are you referring? Haggai, Zephaniah, and Zechariah were written in the 4th century and Malachai in the 3rd. They all used the name, indicating that even in these centuries the men of God used the name. The New Testament doesn't use it at all, and for a reason. Jesus taught the desciples to call Jehovah Father as in the Lord's Prayer. He elaborated more on it in texts like John 14 to 16 where he said things like, "you shall no longer ask me anything, but what you ask the Father in my name he will give you." This is because of the new thing of being spriritually born, i.e. born again of God's spirit, allowing Christians to be called the children of God. ------------------
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
quote: Then how do you deal with the Ezra/Nehmiah (and other parallel text) contradictions? ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6042 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
quote: This is contradicted by
quote: Surely you see that both your assertion and John's can't BOTH be right...or, at least, that if you're right it didn't stop variants from emerging and thus is irrelevant as a reply. Or is John wrong? [This message has been edited by Zhimbo, 10-15-2003]
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Prozacman Inactive Member |
What is "houri heaven"? And, I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused with your reply #75. Are you saying that christians&jews get a chance to repent to Allah on J-Day, thereby going to Allah's heaven while already practicing Muslims aren't allowed to repent on J-Day? Please disentangle my thought processes!
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John Inactive Member |
Certain passages of the Quran read as if the Jews and Christians have nothing to fear on judgement day.
2:62. Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. Pickthal's Quran Translation ------------------
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Prozacman Inactive Member |
Well, that's just spiffy; the implication is that christians, jews,and sabaeans(whatever they are) already believe in Allah & do right, and therfor will go to Allah's heaven on the Last Day. If that's true then all "spiritual" descendants of Abraham go to heaven if they do right,etc. Then, why all these requirements for muslims: praying while facing east 5 x a day, travelling to Mecca, etc.?? AND, What is houri heaven?
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Think... playboy mansion without the VD. Just google 'houri' ------------------
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Primordial Egg Inactive Member |
What is "houri heaven"? The houris are the name for the fair skinned ever-pleasing 72 virgins that a Muslim male purportedly receives in heaven, as reward for a lifetime of devotion. Although to be fair, I've heard recently that "houri" can also be translated as "raisin".
Are you saying that christians&jews get a chance to repent to Allah on J-Day, thereby going to Allah's heaven Yes.
while already practicing Muslims aren't allowed to repent on J-Day? If Islam was the One True Religion (TM), then Muslims wouldn't need to repent, surely? PE
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Prozacman Inactive Member |
WELL, NOW i'm positively sure I know what they think of women, and it's not very respectful.PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: But the Quranic scripture you cited included the stipulation that these must believe in the Quranic Allah, which does not equate to the Christian/Jewish god, Jehovah.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
As I've mentioned before, the word "allah" is derrived form the same root as "eloah", one of the biblical names for God.
------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Chavalon Inactive Member |
The quran is very clear on this: Allah is the God of Moses and Jesus.
002.136 Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
003.003 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. You may not believe it, but moslems do. Edited to add - sorry, that was a reply to Buzsaw [This message has been edited by Chavalon, 11-24-2003] [This message has been edited by Chavalon, 11-24-2003]
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Abshalom Inactive Member |
Paul:
According to Muhammad, it was the Israelite archangel "Gabriel" who appeared and spoke in a language unfamiliar to Muhammad. Then Muhammad had to ponder over Gabriel's presentation for some time before translating it to a scribe who wrote it down as Muhammed recited.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Exactly my point. Muhammad was not preaching worship of a pagan God
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