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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I too have no idea why anyone wastes time trying to either prove GOD exists or to refute that GOD exists. I'm confused as to why people think that a theory which predicts that all gods are products of the human imagination is anything to do with trying to prove God exists or proving that it doesn't. It seems that people see the theory 'All supernatural beings are products of human imagination' and see it as if it were a assertion, as you implied earlier. It is not an assertion, it is a thoery.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I agree, and if presented as a theory I would applaud it, but it was presented as a conclusion.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes:
All 4 examples were presented as conclusions. I agree, and if presented as a theory I would applaud it, but it was presented as a conclusion.All 4 examples are conclusions based on theories. quote: Your objection is biased, caused by your own fears. Edited by Panda, : typo Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
panda writes: Your objection is biased, caused by your own fears. TOO funny. But thanks for sharing your beliefs. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Are highly evidenced conclusions more likely to be correct than unevidenced claims? Or not?
This is a simple question that has nothing explicitly to do with gods. Why can you not answer it?
jar writes: A product of human imagination is not a GOD. This concept you call GOD.... Is it's existence evidenced in any way shape or form? If not then where but human imagination are you suggesting this concept is sourced from?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We have been over this before. I have said that I have a belief that GOD exists, but that I cannot imagine any way that belief could be tested while I am still alive.
That says nothing of course about whether or not GOD actually exists. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes:
Your continued willingness to post, but your continued failure to refute anything I have said, shows that you have no rebuttal. TOO funny. But thanks for sharing your beliefs.Your are simply too immature to accept your mistakes.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2507 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Modulous writes: It seems that one response is to critically misunderstand the basic fundamentals of the theory and rail against it. One could easily speculate that there just might be a few emotions involved, couldn't one? That a few toes of desire are being trodden on. I think I might get similar reactions to my "all books are authored entirely by human beings" theory in certain quarters. But no-one seems too bothered about the rabbits coming from their only known source.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I agree, and if presented as a theory I would applaud it, but it was presented as a conclusion. Yes, a conclusion, not an absolute fact. Drawing a conclusion and stating a truism are different processes. Conclusions can be drawn from the fact that a theory exists that is not falsified and is supported by the evidence. Are you saying there is a problem in drawing conclusions from theories? The conclusions might be wrong.They are not 'proofs'.
But as it stands it is no more valid than an assertion that "All swans are white." It's a perfectly valid assertion to make. It just so transpires that evidence exists that shows it is false. This latter property is missing in the conclusion that gods are not real.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Thanks for the revision. So now it is not a matter of my fear but rather of my immaturity.
I appreciate your sharing and learn more every day. Again, thank you. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The difference, as I have said repeatedly, is that I cannot imagine any way that the supernatural, specifically the existence or non existence of a GOD or GODS could ever be tested while I am still alive.
I find the whole bit of discussing whether or not there is a GOD humorous at best. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
The difference, as I have said repeatedly, is that I cannot imagine any way that the supernatural, specifically the existence or non existence of a GOD or GODS could ever be tested while I am still alive. I fail to see how that difference is relevant here.
I find the whole bit of discussing whether or not there is a GOD humorous at best We aren't debating whether or not there is a god. We are discussing whether or not our concepts of gods are products of human imagination or are derived from a consideration of the evidence. It seems that your position is that our god-concepts cannot be derived from a consideration of the evidence, which it transpires, is in agreement with Straggler.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Which is again a point I have made here repeatedly. All known God(s) or god(s) that we discuss are products of human imagination however that is simply irrelevant when talking about whether or not GOD exists.
But it is fun to discuss isn't it? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Which is again a point I have made here repeatedly. All known God(s) or god(s) that we discuss are products of human imagination however that is simply irrelevant when talking about whether or not GOD exists. Then it seems you and Straggler agree, and your point is merely one of semantics. You seem to be arguing that a certain interpretation of Straggler's words is problematic, but I don't think that that interpretation is the one Straggler actually meant.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes:
Immaturity and fear are not mutually exclusive. Thanks for the revision. So now it is not a matter of my fear but rather of my immaturity.Anyway...back on topic - any rebuttals? No - seems not. jar writes:
Fascinating. I appreciate your sharing and learn more every day. Again, thank you.Anyway...back on topic - any rebuttals? No - seems not. So - you still post, but refuse to address the points I raised.Perhaps you should remember that this is a discussion forum and not a chat room. "Put up or shut up."
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