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Author Topic:   Kent Hovind
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Message 236 of 349 (627673)
08-03-2011 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by fearandloathing
08-03-2011 10:56 AM


Re: Coyote's (abe: Creation Science) Evasion
They might find wood still there and be able to get carbon-14 dates. Also, the metal could be analyzed to see what the alloys are and compared to known specimens. There are a lot of other things that clever scientists could probably do to analyze such specimens.
I would not think coral would be that good of a dating tool in this instance, but in marine environments it has been used for dating.
The point is, there is a lot of potential evidence there that could be examined but this was not done.
If one wants vague photographs to be evidence then UFOs and bigfoot are proven also.
Buz should google some of the real biblical archaeology articles and see the level of investigation and analysis they use. Might be educational.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 244 of 349 (627768)
08-03-2011 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Buzsaw
08-03-2011 11:20 PM


Re: Coyote's (abe: Creation Science) Evasion
If wood goes first, why is there wood in the Black Sea alledly pre-dating the Exodus?
Good questions.
1) What is the evidence that it is wood?
2) What is the evidence that it pre-dates the exodus?
The problem we have with the "archaeology" that has been done is we still don't know the answers to those and other questions.
The reaction of a real archaeologist would be to go and find out. They would come back with real evidence if there was any to be found. If not, they would say so.
The folks you have been citing instead proclaimed vindication for their religious beliefs and started selling movies.
Really, does this not seem unprofessional to you? I know you agree with their results, but don't you really see that they have presented no evidence, just wishes and beliefs?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 325 of 349 (628971)
08-14-2011 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Dawn Bertot
08-14-2011 10:38 PM


Re: A few points on logic... NOT!
It sounds like you are saying that our mere existence is evidence of a designer and this makes it a warranted assumption. How does our existence prove a designer exactly? It does not. The only thing our existence proves is that we exist. Nothing more.
Wrong. The nature of existence is such that it, all that we know of it, is subject to decay. It gains and it losses its properties. All that we know of existence is that all items are contingent on thier individual existence to that of something else. So on and so forth
these characteristics would not be consistent with an infinite universe, unless it could be demonstrated that some properties do not fall into that category, correct
Therefore existence itself attests to the fact of a designer and one that that would himself be contingent on nothing
I find your "logic" as well as your evidence to be lacking.
Where is this "decay" you refer to? Is this entropy, or is this a result of "the fall?" If the latter, you should realize that "the fall" is a religious myth, not something substantiated by empirical evidence. If the former, dealing with the 2nd law of thermodynamics, that does not apply to the degree you would have it do so in an open system, that is, one obtaining energy from the outside.
The rest of your post is a catechism, not a scientifically reasoned or supported argument. You just left off the "Amen!" at the end.

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