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Rahvin
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Message 33 of 270 (641309)
11-18-2011 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 2:37 PM


Re: Set your own prices.
...that most certainly is theft. It's functionally no different from removing the tag from the cheapest item in a store, replacing it for the tag on a more expensive item, and paying the lower price.

It is in no way "bargaining," which requires both parties' awareness that price is being negotiated. You're not informing the register person that you're paying something less than the advertised rate - you're intentionally trying to pass your little deception off without them noticing, because you know full well that if they ever noticed that they'd charge you full price - and possibly ban you from their store.

Your willingness to pay a certain price is irrelevant at the moment of purchase except to determine whether you will or will not buy the item. If you don't think the item is worth it, you don't buy it. If sufficient people feel the same way, demand is decreased and the seller will likely lower the price, but that in no way gives you the right to just dishonestly steal from the store.

I'd love to get a brand new laptop for $5, but that's not how much they cost, and swapping the price tag for the one from a pack of CDs and trying to slip it past the register would be theft, just like what you're doing.


The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers


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Rahvin
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Message 135 of 270 (641702)
11-21-2011 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Buzsaw
11-21-2011 6:19 PM


Re: Why Do Some Steal?
But it was not atheists, secularists pagan, Muslims, Roman Catholics non fundies, et al, by and large, who made the nation free and prosperous. It has been immigrants form these nations who came for the freedom, refuge and good life to the land of Biblical minded majority citizenry.

Fundamental attribution error.

The United States is not prosperous because of a "Biblical minded majority citizenry."

I'd question whether the US could even be considered to be prosperous at all right now.

But historically, the prosperity of the US has had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Biblical-anything. The US hit it's prosperity stride in the decades after WW2...during which it just so happened that the infrastructure of every other economic power had been devastated by war, while the US (which did sacrifice blood and treasure, but did not have battles fought on its own shores with the lone exception of Pearl Harbor) retained its entire economic machinery. Go figure, then, that the US was able to rise as the economic superpower, overpowering even the USSR (meaning the equal presence of "the Bomb" did nothing).

You're attributing success and prosperity to a factor that has been present in multiple other cultures without resulting in similar prosperity, and completely ignoring the real factors that allowed for the US to dominate late-20th-century economics.


The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers


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Rahvin
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Message 163 of 270 (642775)
12-01-2011 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by NoNukes
12-01-2011 9:23 AM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
Around my area, copper gutters seem to be less common, but people still manage to find other sources of copper to purloin, such as air conditioners and copper plumbing.

When I worked at a previous job, we used to have daytime break-ins at our warehouse where thieves would walk in like they worked there, load up a truck with copper piping and other parts, and drive off.

They would also show up at job sites after the construction crews left and strip out any copper.

They're pretty bold, and apparently they must be making some decent money on the stuff.

Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.


The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers


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