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Peter
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Message 126 of 172 (65984)
11-12-2003 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by MrHambre
11-11-2003 6:07 AM


Re: Is My Halo On Straight?
quote:
So when the fundies call the fetuses "innocent children," who do you suppose they're saying is guilty?
...and there was me thinking we were all born guilty ... you
know original sin and all that ...

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Peter
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Message 127 of 172 (65986)
11-12-2003 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by joshua221
11-11-2003 2:36 PM


quote:
There is a fine line between stopping a pregnancy then destroying one. And By the way, I think if they were banned, women would be more careful and unwanted pregnancies would decrease.
Abortion was illegal in the UK until (I think) the 1960's.
That had no impact on unwanted pregnancies, and put women's
lives and health (mental and physical)at risk when they sought
'back street' abortions.
Also, why do you think it is the women who have to be more
careful ... it takes two you know.
quote:
...if it is out of their control, (or some complication happens threatening their lives, or the babies) I think that it is in God's hands, and when her life is threatened it comes down to who she would rather let live the baby or herself.
So you are pro-choice then (in some circumstances)?
In the situation you describe (or with Schraf's widow) pro-life
and pro-choice are the same (just looking at different lives).
Why would your God place this burden of choice on someone
anyhow? ... the health problem/compication inderlying
the issue was instigated by God in your worldview.
quote:
Although contreceptives are are good in the sense of reducing abortions, they shouldn't be needed for the most part if only sex occurred after marriage. When the two married would be bonded so closely that a child would probably be great.
I'm bonded very closely to my wife ... but a pregnancy at the
moment would be very far from great. We have three children
under 8 already and I'm not wealthy, nor do I feel I have enough
hours in the day to work, spend time with my wife, and spend
adequate time with my children.
According to the arguments presented so far abstinance is still
murder. If I choose not impregnate my wife (or any other
fertile female for that matter -- though I suspect my
wife would have more than a little to say on that one )
I have wilfully prevented a potential human from coming to full development.
[This message has been edited by Peter, 11-12-2003]

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Peter
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Message 128 of 172 (65987)
11-12-2003 4:27 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Asgara
11-11-2003 7:39 PM


Re: Superman
I know someone who was 4 months pregnant before they
even knew, because they were still having periods and
no other body changes gave cause for concern ... go figrue.

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Peter
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Message 129 of 172 (65988)
11-12-2003 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Lizard Breath
11-11-2003 10:40 PM


Re: Murder
quote:
The more available and easier you make it for anyone to have an abortion for any reason, the less people are going to concern themselves with the responsibility of enguaging in intercourse and the more unwanted babies are going to be created and destroyed
I don't know about anywhere else, but I believe in the UK
that the NHS can refuse to perform an abortion if they feel
that the individual is using abortion as birth control.
They can still go private, but that costs.
This means that (in the UK) there is at least a financial
incentive to be cautious.

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Peter
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Message 130 of 172 (65989)
11-12-2003 4:36 AM


If 'life' means that a soul has been attached, and souls
are immortal, why is killing wrong?
You cannot kill a soul, or can you?

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