What's wrong with this picture?

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Other than the fact that there are no women there?
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...............Nor any little children who've been waiting, growing, developing, listening for nearly nine long months for this wornderful opportunity to see and experience this life of human existence they've already been given, and who will be spared the terrible brutal death they would experience, were it not for these men....

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What strikes me is the fact that a disagreement on the Abortion issue comes up, abortion is in fact murder, is it not? Rare situations such as the one talked about (if baby born mother dies) are very difficult to voice an opinion on.------------------
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Abortion is not legally murder. That is the heart of the arguement. Attempts to use a religious point of view to change the legal definitions involved. A fertilized single cell is not currently defined as a human being. Murder is a specific form of killing a human being. Therefore abortion is not currently defined as being murder.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Please, legalities are not the issue, common sense would show that destroying a fertilized single cell that will soon turn out to be a human being is killing that soon-to-be human being while it is at it's most helpless state. You are trying to tell me that a fertilized cell is non-existant when abortion comes into play?

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Iron Man / Prophecyexclaimed:
There is a password recovery method in the "Forums Help" pull down menu (there does not seem to be a way for me to supply a direct link).

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You need to enter your e-mail address there, and your password will be e-mailed to you, at that address.

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It would probably be best that you continue with your original name.

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Adminnemooseus

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This would pose somewhat of a problem? I like me new name, I'll keep it.

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Legalities are exactly the issue. Murder is a legal term. Killing a human being is *not* always murder.
As for your common sense; if I use a condom and stop a cell from being fertilized I have killed a soon-to-be human. Is that also murder? (The catholic church seems to have it part way along that road. )

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No that isn't exactly knowing that a baby is in the womb, and still destroying it, is it? If killing a human being isn't murder, it is what, ending the life of a living, breathing, and thinking human being? Survival of the Fittest?------------------
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please define "breathing" in the context of a fetus who has never been in contact with air.
define "thinking", especially in even a newborn who's cerebral cortex is still quite primitive.

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Define Living?Although breathing and thinking may not be possible inside the fetus at a certain age, I am sure you got what I meant, and I am also sure. you know that soon the fetus will do these things.------------------
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You are then:
1) An opponent of the death penalty for any crimes whatsoever.
2) Do not support any military actions at all.
3) Would not support the administration of a pain killer if it may cross over the line and kill a terminally ill patient in extreme pain.
For you have defined all of this as murder.

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And, no, stopping an unfertilized ovum from developing into a child isn't "exactly" the same as stopping a fertilized one but it is very close. Why do you draw the line between when the ovum and sperm have joined and when they are simply "good friends". "God" himself sees fit to "murder" about half of all fertilized ova if my memory of spontaneous abortion statistics is correct.

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I draw that line because that ovum that is fertilized is the ONLY ONE that will become a human being out of the others. As much as I hate you putting words in my mouth, I agree with what you are saying partially, I think a military shouldn't be needed, and wars shouldn't happen, that isn't how life is. I also agree on what you said on the death penalty, I think they deserve forgiveness, and if they are a threat to others then putting them in prison may be the only other choice. As for the pain killer, I really have not the slightest clue, a lot of people die in pain and that is not fortunate. What could be fortunate is what happens to them after they die...------------------
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Tell ya what. Since you believe that all it takes is a few cells to be human, then surely you won't mind if we collect one or two of your neurons and destroy the rest of your brain? We'll even leave you all your body cells.
If a few cells aren't good enough for you, though, why would they be good enough for anybody else?

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It is what those cells become that is important.

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Oddly, there seems to be some correlation between those who oppose abortion and those who oppose sex education. I think there may be not better way to reduce abortions than good sex education.

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A little out of the blue.

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Thank you, it sounds like you are 'partially' consistent then.
However, you say a military shouldn't be needed. That is not the same as not supporting military actions. Do you consider those actions to be murder too? Your death penalty position is consistent. We'll leave the pain killer one in limbo then.

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It depends on the military action, military action can be saving a country from starvation and providing food, military action can also be destroying a country. But I’ll take it that you meant the Destroying action, yes I can say that I am opposed to the death that the military sheds when in war or whatever. You could say I’m Pro-life no matter what pretty much That pain killer one leaves me stumped. I guess it would depend on the patients wishes but that would make me look like Dr. Kevorkian wouldn’t it? (Name probably spelt wrong.) Same situation on abortion. But in that case the mother wouldn’t be ending her life but the babies.------------------
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It is what those cells become that is important.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, by this logic, there should be a law that requires the menstrual fluid of all women to be collected and searched for fertilized eggs that did not implant and were in the process of being flushed out of the body. At least half of all ofhese fertilized eggs end up this way.Similarly, IUD's should be banned because they prevent implantation of fertilized eggs.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------But what about that one? Any way you are looking at it a soon to be baby, YES A BABY, dies... Wheres the logic in that?------------------
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Man Asgara you have a lot of peeves when it comes to this issue... ------------------
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When the shit really hits the fan, even the pro-lifers get abortions when they really, really need them.
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I don't know why Pro-life bothers you, maybe the truth hurts a little .------------------
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So, what are you saying?Do you think that all of the menstrual fluid of every women should be collected and searched to find all the unimplantes fertilized eggs?
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Do you believe that IUD's should be banned, so that women will be more likely to have unwanted pregnancies?

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There is a fine line between stopping a pregnancy then destroying one. And By the way, I think if they were banned, women would be more careful and unwanted pregnancies would decrease.

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Tell me, how many unwanted children have you adopted?

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Actually I think that is illegal considering I am turning 15 on the 28th.

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Do you support forcing girls and women to carry all pregnancies to term regardless of their desire or ability to do so?

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I think women should think about this before it happens. And if it is out of their control, (or some complication happens threatening their lives, or the babies) I think that it is in God's hands, and when her life is threatened it comes down to who she would rather let live the baby or herself.

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Do you support the death penalty? Additionally, do you support the death penalty for women who "murder" by having abortions, or for the doctors who perform them, and the nurses and other workers who assist (they are acessories to "murder").

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I do not support the death penalty, I feel that everyone deserves forgiveness. Just as God willingly forgives those who sin... What sin is, would be not in my judgement. I do know that certain things are sin because of the laws of God, given to us in the Bible.

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Do you support a massive social program whereby all of these unwanted children will be fed, housed, given medical treatment, and educated? This will raise your taxes significantly, seeing as we don't do that for the people who are here already.

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Yes.

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Do you support spending tax dollars providing thorough and early sex education to all children and free, easily-available contraceptives to all people who ask for them in order to greatly reduce the need for abortions?

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Do I support spending tax dollars to provide sex education? Yes.Would I rather support money going to teaching God's view on sex? Yes.Although contreceptives are are good in the sense of reducing abortions, they shouldn't be needed for the most part if only sex occurred after marriage. When the two married would be bonded so closely that a child would probably be great.Now since I took the time to answer these questions, can you answer them, I would love to see you view on this matter.------------------
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Actually if you actually read my posts, the only thing I have listed as a "peeve" is people calling the debate pro-life/pro-abortion. I think most people consider one thing to be "a lot".-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Two things. ------------------
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