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MrHambre
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From: Framingham, MA, USA
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Message 71 of 172 (65618)
11-10-2003 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Lizard Breath
11-10-2003 4:20 PM


Lizard Breath's Halo
The point of this thread, Lizard Breath, was to point out the fact that certain people who are never going to have to make a choice about their reproductive rights are making the choice for others. The subject of abortion goes hand in hand with civil rights and personal decision making.
I’m a father of two, and I’m lucky I’ve never had to face a choice like an abortion. I have two healthy kids that I can support. It would not have been so easy if we’d had doubts about the mother’s ability to carry or bear the child, or if the child were likely to have severe birth defects. I’d like to say I would have nobly chosen to see the pregnancy to term, but I’m not so sure.
My old boss and his wife were forced to make that decision when her life was put in danger by her pregnancy. He was a Catholic and very pro-life, but they chose not to take the chance of mother and child both dying. I don’t think it was an easy choice, and I don’t think it would have been any easier if they’d had to ask the government for permission.
A couple of friends of ours had a child with the most severe birth defects: developmental disabilities, no eyes, organs on the outside of the body, you name it. She wasn’t expected to live more than a couple of months, but she ended up dying just shy of two years old. Put yourself in their shoes: after you’ve watched your child die in great pain, your finances and marriage are in ruins as well. So is that preferable to abortion? No way you could wear a halo either way you choose in that situation.
Human life may be precious, but a fetus is not just floating aroung in the aethyr, you know. I’m insulted every time the mother is portrayed as just the fleshy outer covering of the sacred fetus. If a woman doesn’t want to carry a baby to term, so be it. End of story. I wish there were no unwanted pregnancies, but wishing doesn’t make it so. And you might wish that passing an anti-abortion law puts an end to abortions, but you’re being cynical. All such a law would do is kill women for not bearing a child. You’re halo is shining now.
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America is like watching a symphony conducted by the tuba player. -Dow Mossman, The Stones of Summer

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MrHambre
Member (Idle past 1423 days)
Posts: 1495
From: Framingham, MA, USA
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 87 of 172 (65762)
11-11-2003 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by nator
11-10-2003 8:22 PM


Is My Halo On Straight?
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When the shit really hits the fan, even the pro-lifers get abortions when they really, really need them.
Our buddy Lizard's Breath here even admitted he's done the same thing, regardless of the fact it made him feel like a murderer. This makes him a fundie, a misogynist, and a hypocrite.
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Women are nothing but the vessels for the god-like fetus. Women have no intrinsic value beyond said vessel as soon as they become pregnant.
So when the fundies call the fetuses "innocent children," who do you suppose they're saying is guilty?
I love how Lizard Breath here is still sarcastically referring to his kids as 'blobs of DNA,' as if the parents among us can't see the difference between a first-trimester fetus inside a woman's body and a child sitting at the breakfast table. I'll let him have his fun. I mean, I may be pro-choice, but at least I'm not a murderer!
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America is like watching a symphony conducted by the tuba player. -Dow Mossman, The Stones of Summer

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MrHambre
Member (Idle past 1423 days)
Posts: 1495
From: Framingham, MA, USA
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 88 of 172 (65763)
11-11-2003 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Lizard Breath
11-10-2003 9:00 PM


Most Human Life is Sacred
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You are either Pro- let the baby live or Pro let the baby be killed if that's the host unit's desire. Pro Life or Pro Abortion.
So what does that make you, Lizard Breath? You had one of your own children aborted. Why is it all right for you to make that choice and no one else?
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Either all human life is sacred or none of it is.
If a woman can't or won't bear a child, she'll have an abortion, Lizard Breath. If safe abortions are not available, she'll get an unsafe one or do it herself. I guess you don't really care about the sacred human lives that are involved in these difficult situations, or else you'd be concerned about their well-being too.
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America is like watching a symphony conducted by the tuba player. -Dow Mossman, The Stones of Summer

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