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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Other than the fact that there are no women there?
How about the fact that it wasn't that long ago that he stated that our culture isn't ready for a ban on abortion? How about the fact that pb abortions are already ONLY done in extreme circumstances, thus making this a ban on a doctor/patient decision on a safe medical procedure deemed necessary? How about the fact that the table cuts of the view of their jackboots? ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
ok buz...
Here is your choice...no appeals that god is the only one who can make this decision you must make a choice one must die 1. a widowed mother of two small toddlers, their sole support and family 2. an eight month fetus with physical disabilities who, if born, will be orphaned along with its two siblings No comments on the scenario. A simple answer is requested...1 or 2, which one dies? ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
First, as Justice O'Connor pointed out, Nebraska's prohibition on partial birth abortions did not provide a "health of the mother" exception -- that is, an exception allowing the banned procedure if it is the best method for ensuring the health of the mother. In Justice O'Connor's view, and that of a majority of the Court, such an exception constitutionally must exist even for a relatively late-term abortion. But the federal law includes no such exception. Second, as Justice O'Connor also pointed out, Nebraska's law did not provide a sufficiently precise definition of what procedure, exactly, it was banning. The state legislature claimed to be targeting an uncommon and especially gruesome procedure known as "D & X" -- dilation and extraction. But in fact, according to Justice O'Connor (who was picking up on the complaints of physicians) that statute appeared to affect not only D&X's, but also a broad range of other abortion procedures. Justice O'Connor and the majority made clear that this vagueness placed abortion providers in an impossible position. As a result, it also places an unconstitutional burden on a woman's right to choose. Like the Nebraska law the Court struck down in Stenberg, the federal law also appears to sweep broadly in the procedures it bans. It displays the very same vagueness problem. And thus, it is unconstitutional for the very same reason. CNN.com - Assessing the new anti-'partial-birth' abortion legislation - Oct. 31, 2003
Opponents argue it will subject doctors to jail time and fines for utilizing a range of procedures that might be the safest and most appropriate for a particular woman in a particular situation. Viasat Internet Service Providers Near Me Page not found – National Organization for Women Reproductive Freedom | American Civil Liberties Union
buz writes: as I understand the bill abortion pba can be performed if mother's life is at risk but not necessarily if her health is at risk This is one of the reasons that this bill is unconstitutional. Versions of it have been struck down in the past for this very reason. Since when does the federal government have the right to place bans on the safest, best care a doctor can offer a patient? Bush himself has stated that this ban is because of his fundamentalist worldview:
bush writes: the right to life "cannot be granted or denied by government because it does not come from government. It comes from the creator of life." ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
please define "breathing" in the context of a fetus who has never been in contact with air.
define "thinking", especially in even a newborn who's cerebral cortex is still quite primitive. ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
I totally agree Ned. NOONE likes the idea of abortion. One of my biggest peeves is people who call the debate pro-life/pro-abortion. I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion". I am NOT pro-abortion, I am pro-CHOICE. As long as sex-ed is fought, contraception is not readily available and more effective, and as long as medical issues arise that threaten the health of the mother and fetus or the life of the mother, the choice HAS to be available.
The only people who can make the heartwrenching choice to terminate a pregnancy are the prospective parents and their doctor. The government has no business making moral or medical judgements for anyone. ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Amen Sister.
------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Hi Shraf,
I just get really pissed when people use the term "pro-abortion". I think it is used to paint us a some kind of monster. NOONE is pro-abortion!!! The majority of the "pro-lifers" that I have talked to admit (after a lot of hand-wringing)that there are SOME desperate instances where even they would choose to have an abortion. I generally reply with "Welcome to the pro-choice side" ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Man Asgara you have a lot of peeves when it comes to this issue... Actually if you actually read my posts, the only thing I have listed as a "peeve" is people calling the debate pro-life/pro-abortion. I think most people consider one thing to be "a lot". ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
The female body isn't even necessarily that advanced to know when it is pregnant. < anecdotal story>I was "pregnant" for almost 3 months, all the changes, body said yes, tests said yes, doctor said yes. I miscarried at almost 3 months and guess what? No baby, no fetal cells..just a Hydatidiform mole. < / anecdotal story>
------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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