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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Some people believe that GLBT people can be fixed, even if you have to use a Jesus stick to beat it out of them. What's sick is that this is true. As well as the reverse - with the proper application of abuse, I could get you to swear off titties and love cocks for, like, the rest of your life. The reason not to do this is not that it is ineffective to brainwash someone out of their nominal sexuality, but because it's incredibly corrosive to human dignity and personal sovereignty to sweepingly second-guess the decisions adults make for themselves after deep reflection.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Is this for real?
What you are and how you act are the same thing
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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Studies agree with my personal observation. You assert this three times in this post, but as far as I can see from inexhaustive and unsystematic selection of studies posted to the thread so far, we have contradictory and inconclusive results. Some of them agreed with your personal observation, some flatly contradicted it.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Is this for real? Flat-out for real. Funny to have to tell a cop this. Isn't someone who does criminal acts, by definition, a criminal? Or do you believe that someone just is a criminal, and the crimes follow naturally from that essence? Gender essentialism is just as stupid as species essentialism, or for that matter, any other form of essentialism. What is this, 1850?
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What you are and how you act are the same thing. I dunno about that... wouldn't that mean that this guy is black:
If simply acting like a man makes her a man, then doesn't that kind of eliminate the need for the surgery? Why surgically turn a man into a woman, if all he has to be a woman is to act like one? Edited by Catholic Scientist, : re-worded last phrase to avoid confusion
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Well, in this particular example, yes. But if I begin to act like a frenchman tomorrow, would that make me french? If I begin to bark like a dog and crawl on all 4, would that make me a dog?
Isn't someone who does criminal acts, by definition, a criminal?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I did a quick google search. All I did was typed in "study on happiness of gender reassignment". Here are the results.
https://www.google.com/...=84fc3fb1fec5f40d&biw=1676&bih=860 Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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I dunno about that... wouldn't that mean that this guy is black: Why? Is he acting like a black person? I don't see it - I just see a guy acting like a douche. And guess what, he's a douche! Seems like it proves my point.
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Way to play dumb and dodge the point...
ABE: Hey wait:
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
CF writes:
Yes - because the definition of a criminal is "a person who has committed a criminal act". Isn't someone who does criminal acts, by definition, a criminal? But the definition of a male/female is not "a person that does masculine/feminine things".Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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I did a quick google search. All I did was typed in "study on happiness of gender reassignment". Here are the results. -->Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 I looked on pubmed for "quality of life" "sex reassignment", and the majority of articles on the first page of results (after which I got bored of looking) were broadly supportive of gender reassignment - I included the abstracts in Message 95. What's more, I'm not sure how you looked at the Google results and decided that research supported your position, unless your results are very different to mine and/or you stopped at the first result. Try reading a bit further down the page and we're back with 'research is unclear'. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Changed code from MID to MIDT.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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But how are you (or anyone else) being asked to do anything other than tolerate, accept or understand the "masquerade"...?
And why not do that in situations where the alternative is a degree of desperation that leads to the taking of one's own life?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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If you want to suggest further investigation is necessary - I won't argue.
But until such questions are emphatically answered why deny people potentially life saving treatment because you have an ideological problem?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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But the definition of a male/female is not "a person that does masculine/feminine things". That's exactly what it is. Gender is performative, its a set of traits that you evince; you are a certain gender because you perform a certain gender. You might be thinking of sex, which refers to the specific configuration of your genitals.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
I've never suggested any such thing. I've said throughout the thread that people should get all of the help and encouragement they need, so they can be who they are and do what they want to do. ...you're the one who appropriates the right to tell other people what surgeries they can have, regardless of the degree of reflection and assent from the medical community they may have achieved. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.
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