Morality without god

How many victims have u met?But lets get back to your erroneous statistics.
The criminal element KNOWS these law and the actual way they are used way better than any common citizen does.Having a Death Penalty does NOT mean ANYTHING to criminals who KNOW theynwill probaly get out of jail in 7 years, on average because the death sentence is dead.WAKE UP or stop lying if you actually already knew all this.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

No.You said that executing killers has no measurable effect one the rate of murders.You have ignored that your supposed Stats to back that up was merely a claim that rates are unaffected by having a Law permitting Capital Punishment.I corrested you in saying that ACTUAL executions measured against rates is what matters.You have continued to argue your point in spite that Texas was notably the only State executing people, and the rates were cut in half.
Virginia had more executions than most other states, and the rate went down.I am accusing you of dismissing the very truth about the evidence you used to support your case.You have NOT retracted your claim nor accepted the facts above, and talking further is a waste of time therwise, isn't it??Your mind is made up.
Executions are Politically Incorrect.
Right?

You confuse ethics with morals.Ethics are things you decide are proper behaviors.
Morals are imposed by the society one is raise in..We see this clearly when the Old Testament reports how patriarchs think compared to the description ofthe Gentile nations around them.The whoredoms of the sexually promiscuous gnetile nations is contrasted with the sexual prudence that people accept as they are raised in the Hebrew patriarchy.We see it today in the contrast between an Islam that, morally, believes stoning 5 or 6 wayward young, single girls is right,... while the gentile matriarchies in the West are convinced in the morality of aborting 1.2 million babies every year.Both of these examples are related also to the sexual morals regarding promiscuity and the homosexual promotions of it. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

RIGHT...That IS what Jesus said.
The Law is useless and men need a change in theirhearts.BUT,... the Law was the list of what was moral.
Morals came from the Laws that the theocracy was enforcing, not because people had ethics and would have bidded them anyway.

The Pharisees though they were doing God a service by protecting the things that they had learned and were teaching about the Bible.They are exactly like NoNuke here, who is protecting the Bible interpretations he long ago accepted and is so sure is correct.
He has Faith in the interpretations thathe has learned and mouthed now for 50 years, probably.He resents a fresh look back, resists a closer and more comprehensive reading of Genesis, and is SO sure the archaic medieval story he heard Genesis supposed tells, can defy science and academic facts even, because its gotta be right.You are no better.
You believe you fully understand the Bible and have found it wanting and erroneous and wrong.
Nothing will persuade you either.It is this natural human resistance to an open minded change in thinking that has allowed the prophets to predict the tragic consequences to come throughout history.

Rationalism is the idea that you can figure everything put because reasoning inside your head is where the truth lies.That was replaced by the enlightenment that we need a Scientific Method by which to deduce what is true and what is not.The very thread title here is an oxymoron."Morals," in the West today are without any Gode ndorsing them.
There, aborting 1.2 million babies is "morally" OK, while protecting, and even releasing killers back into society, usually within 7 years, is fine.Yet, "morals" with a god, as in muslim nations, execute killers, stone unmarried pregnant women, and force Homosexual propagnada for promiscuity out of public view.Yet you say morals are a consequence of internal motivations.While I say, those internal motivations are merely the ethics of a society, which will ultimately make the Laws for social behavior the Morals you refer to.

?1) Polygamy is OK in patriarchies.
In fact, David was one of the seven major patriarchs of the Jews.Islam is a patriarchy and polygamy is morally OK.2) But, David committed adultery and murder, which was NOT OK;1 Kings 11:6
And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.You think the king did not know he was breaking the rules???

Why?\All you said was that your PERSONAL experience differs with the very all-overlStatistics.That just means you are in that little itty bitty group that was exceptional to the general rule.

You understand me pretty well on that.
Morals are de facto the mores of the society which are usually there, in place, when we are born.
We are raised to behave in ways to observe those rules of behavior, which we call the Morals.
They come externally to us.The morals in Islam are different from and often at odds with those in the secular West.BUT, there is one categorical imperative that all peoples everywhere must observe universally, whether we call it the "Objective Divine Morality," or Kant's philosophical Categorical Imperative:A categorical imperative, on the other hand, denotes an absolute, unconditional requirement that asserts its authority in all circumstances, both required and justified as an end in itself. It is best known in its first formulation:Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.
(Do unto others (as you ought be able to expect) that which you would that they will do to you.) With that in mind, this matter becomes a question of whether your morals violate the Imoerative and hence are immoral.

Of course other factors come into the lowering of murder rates in Texas.
But none of those are less guns in circulation, are they?Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Right.It doesn't matter why the person acts socially as the morals of his society have taught him is proper.
In fact, most morals have reasons way beyond the interest or understanding of the person who is raised up to exercise those moral behaviors.In other words, the morals are unwritten rules usually, not in Law books or the Institution of Law and Order.They are usually found in the Institution of Religion.
That is why invoking God as the reason is so important.
The reason may be too subtle or arcane for little kids or grown adults to understand.Hence the OP here is that Morality is very difficult to institute without invoking "God said so."And when one considers whether a god mandate is necessary for himself, in order to be moral, he must not assume that for others some appeal to an authority, like God,is not necessary.
Little kids especially may very much need to believe God is watching and the morals are set down by him.