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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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http://www.americanthinker.com/...ious_moderate_muslim_.html
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
So Coyote, what went through your mind when you decided to post that? Did you think, hey Carol Brown who writes for 'The American Thinker', she's a good source. An impartial academic whose opinion should carry significant weight in this discussion!
It's a complete shambles, by the way. For instance:
quote: Meaning 7 in 8 didn't.
quote: So 20% of Egyptians reject death for apostates, despite it being the word of Allah. And this is presented as evidence that moderate Islam does not and cannot exist? Obviously that conclusion does not follow from the evidence. Indeed, all it does is highlight that there are considerable Muslims who are more moderate than the extremist views discussed, which seems to me to be an own goal.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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With a billion plus Muslims, even a small percentage of headchoppers and other extremists is a lot. Too many in fact.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
With a billion plus Muslims, even a small percentage of headchoppers and other extremists is a lot. Too many in fact. Can you explain how this is relevant to the topic? The best I can make out of it is that you are saying there are moderate Muslims. Is that what you are saying? Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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The best I can make out of it is that you are saying there are moderate Muslims. Is that what you are saying? When Muslims take over your town and tell you to convert, pay tribute, or die, get back to me. If you can.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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When Muslims take over your town and tell you to convert, pay tribute, or die, get back to me. If you can. Are you here just to take potshots at Islam or to discuss moderate Islam?
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member
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coyote writes: When Muslims take over your town and tell you to convert, pay tribute, or die, get back to me.If you can. modulous writes: Are you here just to take potshots at Islam or to discuss moderate Islam? My guess is he is here to wake you up......but I don't see much chance of that happening. In 10 years you can post as "headless modulous". Do you have some reason why I should believe the crap you post from a group that says it's OK to lie to me to further their ends? Get back to me. If you can. Petrophysics
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Do you have some reason why I should believe the crap you post from a group that says it's OK to lie to me to further their ends? To be fair it's only the government and the media that do that, and they do it with alacrity. Everybody else is just slavishly repeating what they say. That's what happens when you trust donkeys, foxes and elephants. Being as you live there, you might try and do something about it, but you all seem content being lied to so who am I to argue?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Mod writes: To be fair it's only the government and the media that do that, and they do it with alacrity. Everybody else is just slavishly repeating what they say. That's what happens when you trust donkeys, foxes and elephants. Being as you live there, you might try and do something about it, but you all seem content being lied to If only you would extend your notion to both sides of the Atlantic.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Being as you live there, you might try and do something about it, but you all seem content being lied to so who am I to argue? Is that how it works? We're being lied to? By whom? How do you know?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I have no idea what you are talking about. Of course you do.
Well it's difficult to find many statements about shared beliefs and practices of a religious group that is not a creed. Because that's what creeds are. How about informal surveys?
What next, how about we discuss moderate Islam? Of course. I've been waiting for that since I started this thread! JonLove your enemies!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Of course you do. I honestly don't.
How about informal surveys? Sure, what would you like to say about them?
Of course. I've been waiting for that since I started this thread! Great. So the classes of evidence I seem to recall so far are 1) the existence of moderate Muslims2) the existence of moderate verses 3) surveys Anything else?
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Jon Inactive Member |
I had hoped you were going to address the survey.
Here is a plain link to the YouTube video, in case for some reason it didn't show up for you: It's Not the ''Radical Shaykh'' it's Islam - Fahad Qureshi If you're still having trouble, I can type up a transcript of the relevant portions. JonLove your enemies!
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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Is that how it works? Yes.
We're being lied to? Yes.
By whom? I said in my post.
How do you know? Because some of the things they say are contradicted by evidence. Are you really telling me you think members of your government, corporations and media are honest at all times?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I had hoped you were going to address the survey. I was hoping you'd make explicit what kind of issues you had with it so we can discuss those.
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