If God Ever Stopped Intervening In Nature....

I hear Lester Moore used to be called Paul Marrane. Do you know this to be absolutely false? If it is true, he must still be alive and the grave marker is fake. That is, unless Jesus has returned and I didn't notice.

So is a rock absolutely alive or absolutely dead?Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

Hi Stile,Lester Moore was buried in Boot hill cemetery in Tombstone AZ
in around 1883.That is 131 years ago. The oldest recorded human ever is 127. So even if
Lester Moore was born in the 1880's he would still be dead.As far as saying there are no birds. I know there are birds.
I absolutely know there are birds. In fact I have two parrots as pets. I buy bird food. I feed them. They shit it out. I can absolutely tell you birds exist.Cartesian doubt is another matter. I can not prove I am not some brain in a vat or a evil demon is not controlling my thoughts and everything that exist is a figment of my imagination.

Well there can be three likely answers.1. Lester Moore is dead
2. Lester Moore is alive
3. Lester Moore is dead in a my dream world existence.If my whole existence is a dream and can not be distinguished from any other existence then that is reality and Lester Moore is dead.If one applies Occam's Razor that either someone truly exist verses a Evil demon is controlling ones thoughts then Lester Moore is dead because that is a simpler explaination than the latter condition: a Fantastical supernatural demon is controlling ones mind.So either way Lester Moore has popped his clogs mate.

Hi Modulous, That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Hi Ringo, tell me.When did you absolutely stop beating your wife?You see there is no way to answer that question without admitting you beat your wife.Just as there is no way to answer your question that a inanimate object like a rock is either absolutely alive or dead.

I will when she's absolutely dead. After that, further beating seems redundant. Exactly. Death is not the final word on absolutes because it isn't absolute. There's a whole spectrum from "alive" to "not alive" and death is just a more-or-less arbitrary movement from one position on the spectrum to another.

Hi Ringo. Perhaps philosophically, but metabolically speaking when all bodily metabolic activity has stopped that is absolutely a dead person.
And I was not speaking from the concept of a alive to death continuum, but rather from the end point itself. Now brain dead, cold water drowning and the like I see your point. But decapitation, death by hanging or electrocution those are final and absolute would you agree? Lets say when all human metabolic activity has ceased for say 5 days would you say that is a absolutely dead person? Lets say some guy named Lester Moore got a chest full of 4 slugs from a 44 revolver. He stopped breathing, bled out and his heart stopped beating. He was buried and began to decompose. Would you say he was absolutely dead?

That's nice. But if you are to claim something as absolutely true, rather than scientifically true, you'll need something better than a handy science philosophy catchphrase.

What will it take to convince you that death is a absolute?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

You think you can apply Occam's razor as a form of absolute disproof which allows you to arrive at absolute certainties? Wiki on Occam

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It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, butin the absence of certaintythe fewer assumptions that are made, the better.

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Note: Occams Razor is applied "In the absence of certainty". That's not very absolute is it?Try again.

I don't understand your response.
You seemed to have written a whole post that disagreed with me... and then concluded with a sentence that completely agreed with me.I don't know what sort of response you're looking for, if any. If you have any further specific questions, just let me know.

My bolding in the following quote: That is, apart from the unlikely answers that you failed to discuss.
What I'm talking about is all the possible answers that we just don't know because we don't know everything.The only way you can limit it to any certain number of possibilities (even 10, 648 or so...). Is if you know everything.
I don't believe you know everything.
I don't believe it's even possible for you to know everything.Therefore, it's possible for Lester Moore to be alive in a way that you just don't know.
Therefore, it cannot possibly be absolute that Lester Moore is dead.My argument is really very simple:Your knowledge has limitations.
The only way you can say you know something "absolutely" is for you to fully identify and understand those limitations (know everything) or ignore them (not really 'absolute').Clearly, you are ignoring the fact that you do not know everything.
Therefore, what you say is "absolute" really is not.There is only 1 way out of this argument: You can describe how you do, in fact, know "everything."
Without doing that... you're simply ignoring your limitations and therefore ignoring the possibility that you could be wrong.I don't see a way around it.
I don't like it either.
That doesn't make it go away.

For you to convince me that you know everything or convince me that there is no way for you to be wrong. Exactly. Only sometimes.
If you want to convince me that something is absolute, you need to convince me that a cigar is always a cigar.Edited by Stile, : I like Big Feet, those little red chewy candies. They're yummy.

Which scenario is the simplest?a)Lester more is dead and buried in reality.b)Lester Moore is dead and buried in a dream fabricated by a evil demon controlling my mind?If one was to apply Occam's Razor which proposition would be the most likely explanation?Now if (b) is correct then there is no way for me to ever know or compare any other reality. So this IS reality and Lester Moore is dead.If (a) is correct then Lester Moore is dead in reality.Either way it matters not which reality/proposition.I personally would pick (a) over (b) because of Occam's razor.
But this is from a external frame of reference. One can never know for sure, but it doesn't matter Lester Moore is still just as dead.
By dead I mean meeting all medical and physiological criteria of Death. ie: cessation of all metabolic activity, bodily decomposition.Now you could argue that I can not be certain which reality is correct and hence do not have absolute knowlege. But as I have shown it does not matter the final outcome is the same and immutable, Lester Moore is dead.