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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:Correct, kjsimons, selection reduces the diversity of populations, mutations increase the diversity of populations.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
This seems like a good place to post this.
Making Genetic Networks Operate Robustly: Unintelligent Non-design Suffices, by Professor Garrett Odell (online lecture):
The bottom line: evolution works.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There are two possible outcomes for this random trial, a mutation does occur at a particular site in the genome or a mutation does not occur at a particular site in a genome. So we are dealing with a simple binomial probability problem. Not necessarily a simple binomial problem. It is possible that the probability that a mutation occurs at a given site is affected by environmental concerns. But the evidence suggests that this probability is not, generally speaking, correlated with the mutation being beneficial in any given environment, let alone the environment that produced the increased rate. For example, radiation may produce mutations, but those mutations generally don't make it more likely that the offspring are radiation proof.
You are correct, I should lay more groundwork to establish that my assertions are correct... I'll talk about the second trial in a later post. It is an improvement that you are electing to add to the discussion. But let me note that in your current posts you do not present mathematics. You merely talk about the need to do so. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: That is obviously incorrect. It is not true when you are considering the probability of a mutation appearing in a population, nor is it true when there is exchange of genetic material between lineages.
quote: I rather doubt that. However, your private probability argument is completely irrelevant to your assertion that the theory of evolution is nor a well established theory. so that claim remains completely unsupported.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I wonder if you will understand that the question you ask is irrelevant to
What you have been doing throughout this thread is the totally dishonest tactic of refusing to address the issues presented to you, assuming prior knowledge about the understanding capabilities of the respondents and instead posting an unrelated irrelevant question. You stated, and I quote:
quote: That is what I am responding to and that is the point I will continue to address until YOU show a basic understanding of why what you posted is nothing but bullshit. Edited by jar, : an extraneous "the" not even a thee got in thar
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You might as well ask why lead works for bullets. There is an explanation but it has nothing to do with the topic. All that matters is that it does work. Why does combination therapy work for the treatment of HIV? The same applies to the Theory of Evolution. All that matters is that it works as an explanation of the fact of evolution. Nobody is claiming that the Theory of Evolution is "absolute truth". They're only saying that it works. And it's the only explanation that works.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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You've got two jobs to do Kleinman
1. Explain this great secret you're teasing us with2. Explain why it shatters the ToE At the moment you're behaving like a troll.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Why does combination therapy work for the treatment of HIV? See here. Anything else I can help you with, Alan?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Kleinman, people are getting testy with you. Your approach here is not welcome.
You have the wrong idea about what is happening on this forum when it comes to presenting alternative ideas. If you have a proposal to make then make it, in toto. Explain to us what your hypothesis actually is. Explain the problem, state your assumptions, show us your data, show us your process (complete with the math you hint is necessary) and show us your conclusions. Do it all in one post, or, if that complex, in as few as possible for complete understanding. Stop trying to teach us through this demeaning question/hint crap. This is not your classroom. This is your peer review and so far you are failing.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:But rmns will not transform reptiles into birds.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:Do you think that every mutation is beneficial? If lineages are exchanging genetic material, why can HIV evolve resistance efficiently to combination therapy?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:My argument is totally public and shows both mathematically and empirically why the theory of evolution is not true.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:There are factors which can alter the mutation rate but when DNA is replicated, there are only two possible outcomes for that replication process. Either the correct base is duplicated at the particular site or there is an error in replication at the particular site, that is a mutation has occurred. quote:We are doing the first steps of the mathematics right here. The first step in analyzing a stochastic process is identifying the random trial(s) (experiment(s)) and the possible outcomes for the random trial.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:There is a specific mathematical reason why combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV. And that mathematical reason is tied to how rmns works. And don't get me wrong, evolution does occur, but the mechanisms of evolution, in particular, rmns, can not make the genetic transformations necessary for the theory of evolution to be true.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 363 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
quote:Be patient, I'm not trying to tease you, I'm trying to introduce you to the concepts required to understand how rmns works. If you follow all the posts, you will see the reason.
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