Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

Faith writes:The star would not have appeared in the east if it announced the birth of a King of the Jews.

Faith writes:(However, people in those days would have been quite familiar with the night sky so maybe more did notice it, the fact that Jupiter had stopped in its orbit against the backdrop of the stars. I don't know Paul. As I said you are free to have a different opinion about it. Jupiter may not have been the star, but it seems to me it's the best candidate so far, among natural possibilities that is, and that's what I'd expect it to be.)

Luke 2 writes:6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.17 And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.18 And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

Faith writes:The only other option I see is something miraculous. While the Magi would no doubt have also followed a miraculous "star," I think that since they were really the only ones who knew what it meant, and even Herod hadn't been following it, it's more likely to have been a natural event that only the Magi understood. A "star" that went before them being in the southern sky as they approached Bethlehem, a "star" that stopped moving against the background of the zodiac when they arrived.

Faith writes:Do you have an explanation for the star yourself?

Faith writes:Yes I meant to mention the shepherds, since they also hadn't noticed the star, which makes it more likely it was an astronomical phenomenon the Magi were in an educated position to recognize while most otherw weren't. Which adds to the idea that it could have been a planet stopping before going retrograde, since they'd have been experienced in recognizing that phenomenon.

Faith writes:And again I'd point out that the other astronomical phenomena Larson considers, and shows via his Astronomy program, were natural: the woman clothed with the sun with the moon at her feet and twelve stars on her head in particular, and the blood moon, both described in scripture in relation to the coming of the Messiah.

Faith writes:Jupiter takes twelve years to circuit the sun, so it can persist a very long time in one position against the background of the stars, taking a a whole year to move through any one of the twelve constellations in the Zodiac.

Faith writes:I am not arguing for the daily movement of the objects in the sky, I'm arguing for the movement of the planets against the constellations and the stars, which the Magi would have recognized.

Faith writes:No, the problem is that you are failing to grasp what it means for a planet to appear to stop against the background of the stars, and confusing it with the movement of the sky over a day, a distinction which the Magi could appreciate

Faith writes:The Magi knew how to read the planets. You don't.

Faith writes:Ya know what, I think anyone who follows the astronomical information given by the Astronomy program Larson uses (Starry Night*), understands it, is honest about it, would have to conclude that scripture really is reflected in the heavens, in the Zodiac and the planets, and despite the possibility of some error in the timing made by Larson, this connection is NO FABLE.

Faith writes:You haven't watched the night sky from Babylon in 3BC, jar.

Faith writes:And as I just said, calling it mythology without even watching it means you are utterly ignorant of the facts.

Faith writes:All the books of the Bible ARE "human creations" -- inspired by God.

Faith writes: Jupiter is a symbol, the highest god in whatever religion uses it as a symbol, so in fallen cultures it's a fallen angel, but in the biblical context it represents the one true God, it can't represent anything else.

Faith writes:Nobody would come up with any other correspondence than he did.

Faith writes:It's really not the big complicated deal everybody is making out of it.

Faith writes:The Magi knew he was to be a king, and he was mocked as a king, His followers knew him to be a king. His life on earth isn't finished, he's coming back to reign.

Faith writes:It would have been quite dramatic enough that the blood moon rose that night after all the other phenomena that attended the crucifixion.

Faith writes:After Pentecost they definitely knew he was King Messiah, and the apostle John's book of Revelation certainly pictures him as King of Kings, to come again and reign over Earth.

Faith writes:The title of this post should be a clue that I am putting together different events to add up to one special or rare event. If April 3,33AD as the day of the crucifixion, many different things had to come together to point to that date. The blood moon occurred at the time of Jesus' death and it rose at the feet of the sign of Virgo. All that together is NOT common.