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Message 534 of 716 (806817)
04-28-2017 9:28 AM
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04-28-2017 9:17 AM


Re: Nazareth fulfilled Messianic prophecy
Moving along as Jesus the MESSIAH had all his moves designed ahead of time and prophesied about ahead of time..
From designed Bethlehem t designed destination Egypt to designed childhood city of Nazareth...
For it says He shall be called a Nazarene
He shall be called a Nazarene fulfilled prophecy - Google Search
And the jewish preisthood rent their garments and the atheists gnashed their teeth, and the evolutionists ran in horror when faced with intelligence and design and fulfilled prophecy.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 594 of 716 (806914)
04-29-2017 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 593 by Faith
04-29-2017 8:51 AM


Re: The Star: Symbols and Meanings
Faith, Larsens idea doesnt have merit.
His theory doesnt fit the biblical narrative at all as mentioned.
Retrograde Jupiter didn;t stay in the sky for months or years to quide the wise astonomers, it didn;t move from east to south to bring them to Bethlehem
Again study geography and directions
And it didnt hover over the manager where they were still living in Jesus toddler years.
It was definitely an angel.
You have to stop forcing false blind science into true science and true spirituality.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 595 of 716 (806915)
04-29-2017 9:21 AM
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04-29-2017 9:15 AM


Re: Back to Messianic Prophecies
Lets get back to the topic.... the star of Bethlehem was a sign, to the three astronomers, and was an angel that the shepherds heard and saw but they are not considered prewarned or prophecies convering the Messiah.
But it wasnt prophesied beforehand like the other 93 or so prophecies concerning JESUS who was the Messiah, as He fulfilled all His PROPHECIES. so lets get away from the diversion of the Star of Bethlehem.. IMO.
The Messianic prophecies are direct exact prophecies written BEFORE JESUS arrival and before His LIFE and foretold DEATH.
The Messiah, or Saviour, or Deliver of God's people has been talked about since the beginning of time in all scriptures, and these
prophecies were called Messianic. They predicted exactly what the Lord of the Universe, the Son of Man, the Son of God and
the Lamb of God would do, and say, where, when, how, and why.
And His Name is JESUS, and He fulfilled all the Messianic Prophecies, as He and the Father are One. (SEE Jesus is God) And
He even fulfilled the exact Timing of His Birth in Daniel 9, so that no one or no nation can deny that the Messiah has already
come and already shed His blood for ALL. ----- giving Salvation to ALL that will accept it by Faith
Heavenly Mysteries
.. Fulfilled Prophecy
Old Testament
New Testament
His Pre-Existence
Micah 5:2
John 1:1, 14
Born of the seed of a woman
Genesis 3:15
Matthew 1:18
Of the seed of Abraham
Genesis 12:3
Matthew 1:1-16
All nations blessed by Abraham's seed
Genesis 12:3
Matthew 8:5, 10
God would provide Himself a Lamb as an
offering
Genesis 22:8
John 1:29
From the tribe of Judah
Genesis 49:10
Matthew 1:1-3
Heir to the throne of David
Isaiah 9:6-7
Matthew 1:1
Called "The mighty God, The everlasting
Father"
Isaiah 9:6
Matthew 1:23
Born in Bethlehem
Micah 5:2
Matthew 2:1
Born of a virgin
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:18
His name called Immanuel, "God with us"
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:23
Declared to be the Son of God
Psalm 2:7
Matthew 3:17
His messenger before Him in spirit of Elijah
Malachi 4:5-6
Luke 1:17
Preceded by a messenger to prepare His way
Malachi 3:1
Matthew 11:7-11
Messenger crying "Prepare ye the way of the
Lord"
Isaiah 40:3
Matthew 3:3
Would be a Prophet of the children of Israel
Deuteronomy 18:15
Matthew 2:15
Called out of Egypt
Hosea 11:1
Matthew 2:15
Slaughter of the children
Jeremiah 31:15
Matthew 2:18
Would be a Nazarene
Judges 13:5; Amos 2:11;
Lam. 4:7
Matthew 2:23
Continue on to more absolute conclusive prove of
JESUS as the Messiah ----- Part TWO
Continue on to more absolute conclusive prove of
JESUS as the Messiah ----- Part TWO
(From Jesus is Lord web-site )
Brought light to Zabulon & Nephthalm, Galilee
of the Gentiles
Isaiah 9:1-2
Matthew 4:15
Presented with gifts
Psalm 72:10
Matthew 2:1, 11
Rejected by His own
Isaiah 53:3
Matthew 21:42;
12:10; Luke 9:22,
He is the stone which the builders rejected
which became the headstone
Psalm 118:22-23; Isaiah
28:16
Matthew 21:42;
A stone of stumbling to Israel
Isaiah 8:14-15
I Peter 2:8
He entered Jerusalem as a king
riding on an ass
Zechariah 9:9
Matthew 21:5
Betrayed by a friend
Psalms 41:9
John 13:21
Sold for 30 pieces of silver
Zechariah 11:12
Matthew 26:15;
The 30 pieces of silver given for the potter's
field
Zechariah 11:12
Matthew 27:9-10
The 30 pieces of silver thrown in the temple
Zechariah 11:13
Matthew 27:5
Forsaken by His disciples
Zechariah 13:7
Matthew 26:56
Accused by false witnesses
Psalm 35:11
Matthew 26:60
Silent to accusations
Isaiah 53:7
Matthew 27:14
Heal blind/deaf/lame/dumb
Isaiah 35:5-6; Isaiah
29:18
Matthew 11:5
Preached to the poor/brokenhearted/captives
Isaiah 61:1
Matthew 11:5
Came to bring a sword, not peace
Micah 7:6
Matthew 10:34-35
He bore our sickness
Isaiah 53:4
Matthew 8:16-17
Spat upon, smitten and scourged
Isaiah 50:6, 53:5
Matthew 27:26, 30
Smitten on the cheek
Micah 5:1
Matthew 27:30
Hated without a cause
Psalm 35:19
Matthew 27:23
The sacrificial lamb
Isaiah 53:5
John 1:29
Given for a covenant
Isaiah 42:6; Jeremiah
31:31-34
Romans 11:27/Galatians 3:17,
4:24/Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10; 10:16,
29; 12:24; 13:20
Would not strive or cry
Isaiah 42:2-3
Mark 7:36
People would hear not and see not
Isaiah 6:9-10
Matthew 13:14-15
People trust in traditions of men
Isaiah 29:13
Matthew 15:9
People give God lip service
Isaiah 29:13
Matthew 15:8
God delights in Him
Isaiah 42:1
Matthew 3:17, 17:5
Wounded for our sins
Isaiah 53:5
John 6:51
He bore the sins of many
Isaiah 53:10-12
Mark 10:45
Messiah not killed for Himself
Daniel 9:26
Matthew 20:28
Gentiles flock to Him
Isaiah 55:5, 60:3, 65:1;
Malachi 1:11;
II Samuel 22:44-45;
Psalm 2:7-8
Matthew 8:10
Crucified with criminals
Isaiah 53:12
Matthew 27:35
His body was pierced
Zechariah 12:10; Ps.
22:16
John 20:25, 27
Thirsty during execution
Psalm 22:16
John 19:28
Given vinegar and gall for thirst
Psalm 69:21
Matthew 27:34
Soldiers gambled for his garment
Psalm 22:18
Matthew 27:35
People mocked, "He trusted in God, let Him
deliver him!"
Psalm 22:7-8
Matthew 27:43
People sat there looking at Him
Psalm 22:17
Matthew 27:36
Cried, "My God, my God why hast thou
forsaken me?"
Psalm 22:1
Matthew 27:46
Darkness over the land
Amos 8:9
Matthew 27:45
No bones broken
Psalm 34:20, Numbers
9:12
John 19:33-36
Side pierced
Zechariah 12:10
John 19:34
Buried with the rich
Isaiah 53:9
Matthew 27:57, 60
Resurrected from the dead
Psalm 16:10-11; 49:15
Mark 16:6
Priest after the order of Melchizedek
Psalm 110:4
Hebrews 5:5-6;
Ascended to right hand of God
Psalm 68:18
Luke 24:51
LORD said unto Him, "Sit thou at my right
hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Psalm 110:1
Matt 22:44;
Luke 20:42-43;
Hebrews 1:13
His coming glory
Malachi 3:2-3
Luke 3:17
Meet Him Today

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 597 of 716 (806921)
04-29-2017 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 596 by Faith
04-29-2017 9:25 AM


Re: The Star: Symbols and Meanings
Hmmm..... much better Faith. Larsens retrograde Jupiter was probably not the Star of Bethlehem, but Yes, many correspondances to the King of King, Regulus (His heart) three passing are very significant so any wise astronomer worth his weight in gold, myrhh and frankinsense would have recognised this sign in the sky.
Because we have to remember the Lord of Creation and the Saviour of the whole Universe controlls all things, planets, stars etc.... and so just an angel, a huge bright one would NOT be the only sign of His 1st COMING.
Larsens video because of your explanation, then can be worth a see... a see and believe LOOK
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 599 of 716 (806928)
04-29-2017 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 586 by PaulK
04-29-2017 8:29 AM


Re: The Star: Symbols and Meanings
PaulK, learn to differentiate and be exact.
Scientific not linquistic.
Astronomy is scientific, astrology is semantic twisting, just as creation is scientific and evolution is semantics.
The wise men were astronomers and not mathematicians and spiritual.
So learn to write responsibly without distortion. Evolutionists love semantics and double speak and 'double write definitions' etc... but you should learn to write scientifically and exactly.
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 602 of 716 (806935)
04-29-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 601 by ringo
04-29-2017 11:36 AM


Re: The Star: It's All Natural Astronomical Phenomena
Because the Messiah was the Messiah of all the Universe and not a mere country.
SEE Isiah 53 thread
SEE Evolution is a racist thread
Jesus was the Creator was God, and as such sees hearts not tribes, not races, not nationalities.
Learn Ringo Learn......
The stars show the Messiah of all not a Messiah for some.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 611 of 716 (806949)
04-29-2017 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 605 by Dr Adequate
04-29-2017 12:07 PM


Re: Hindsight after the Covenant is signed
No, I answered that already.
Please study, as prophecy is exact and we just have to get it exactly right.. Even though the last one can be deduced from hindsight and acted on before the middle of the Last 7 Years.
From 2HindsightPropheticEvents
2 Easy Hindsight Prophetic Events
Let me first say prophecy was given by past prophets so the end time prophets would have a basis, a standard from which to
start so they can finnish. We can not scripturally say, all prophets are evil and false. The Lord shall raise up prophets in the End
Time, thinking other wise would surely make us false. So try the prophets and let them speak. ... forget this labeling and
name calling and just discuss prophecy and precepts.
Therefore let me share with you the Lord's easy HINDSIGHT prophetic markers, that unaware Christians can finnally see and
and recognize that will finnally get them moving away from trust in nationalism, church, politics, militaries etc. etc...
ONE.
Simple straightforward, the COVENANT is signed by TEN COUNTRIES. Come on nothing can be more blatant than the world
stage in ten countries signing the Covenant. That is such an easy basic event, that even the dumbest of dumb can NOT miss. Its in
Daniel and repeated in Revelation. It will take zero discernment to read about it in the news, and see it on TV. I say it takes the
Iranian war to melt them together into compliance.. .but whatever, first there has to be a COVENANT.
TWO
Secondly, according to the days of Daniel seven months later after the Covenant signing, the Jewish priesthood will START TO
SACRIFICE before their Temple, the 3rd temple. This can only be done after a PEACE has been established and a Covenant of
the militaries and governments signed and approved.
So then Christian brethren, all Christians better get busy because the written in stone timeline of the Last 7 years has started.
Forget needing to know when the Lord is coming back, for what you have to determine THEN, in the early years after the
SIGNING and SACRIFICING is when the Whore gets destroyed and your positioning as whether you are serving the Lord. For
you need to have been serving the Lord and figure out through prayer whether you will run to so called safe havens or whether
you GATHER as I would suggest, or whether you do nothing and just close your eyes.
The decisions are yours. But the first TWO events of End Time prophecy are extremely easy to discern.... They haven't
happenned so look for this TWO major MAJOR events.
IHS
David
PS ) Isn't it amazing how simple the Lord made prophecy so we could even
have hindsight rather than foresight on the first 2 major events.
David Jay Jordan

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 612 of 716 (806950)
04-29-2017 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 610 by NoNukes
04-29-2017 5:44 PM


Re: The Star: Common Occurrences Together Become Rare
No nukes, the Lord created the sdtar groupings and as you will have read by now, the Earth is a very special place, for its where the Messiah of the Universe was born, lifed and died for all.
Faith and I agreed on the Witness in the Stars by Bullinger.
Study and Read it and know the signs in the sky.
Know about Regulus, know about the sweet influences of Leides as written about in Job etc etc etc etc etc...
Learn dont try and tell Christians about the Mesiah of the Universe and why the stars didn;t show His COMING, but how the stars obviously tell tell of His Coming.
But only the wise saw it, and only the humble shepeherds came to HIm, and only the searching thereafter have searched for and found HIM.
Jesus created the stars, whether angelic or whether heavenly bodies, again read Genesis, or go out in the starry starry nights and marvel at the glory of God.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 613 of 716 (806962)
04-29-2017 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 606 by vimesey
04-29-2017 1:34 PM


Re: DJJ's Mathturbation
Vim writes as he lights up another cigar.."Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Absolutely wrong, thats unscientific, thats anti-bible... thats a delusion of the lazy and the cowardly !!
Thats what damnable teachers and preachers tell their congregations. They say dont search, dont study, dont figure out things, just sit as a bunch of logs ina pew, or a bunch of luck and chancers in your college seats.
THE LORD says and said.
Seek and ye shall find.
Knock and the door shall be opened
Enoch found out, Moses found out, Daniel found out, the great Christian Scientists found out.
Secrets found out increase faith, and never weaken it. Truths always increase faith.
The Lord wants us to build our faith and build our minds and use our minds thats why He gave us our MINDS !!!
Stop preaching laziness and nothing can be figured out delusions. No wonder evolutionists become evolutionists, all they have to knwo is two words and they know all of evolution...luck and chance.
Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
Lets repeat that truth... 2It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
Yes, the Lord hid these things slightly, but it the glory of kings and researchers to find it out. There is NOTHING that is hid that shall not be revealed.
So start studying and searching people instead of being so dam lazy and lethargic and making excuse after excuse.
Its not conceit to know the Lord has answers, its faith and answering questions step by step or precpt by precept.
QUESTION ANSWERED
Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 625 of 716 (806997)
04-30-2017 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 616 by Faith
04-29-2017 11:39 PM


Re: The Star: Common Occurrences Together Become Rare
Agreement, the holy days in the Lords calendar are lunar.
You have tyo know and understand the Moons cycle as set in Genesis as much as the Earths cycle around the Sun (Tabernacle of the Son)
But 'Faith' dont mix up the cruicifixion in the Spring with the birth of Jesus, two different events. And Rosh Hannah in the fall which is a harvest festival, with specific number of days between.
Remember two harvests, one for those that have chosen the Messiah or Messiah to come, and one harvest in the End for those who have not.
(See Revelation)
And do note that Judiasm never saved anyone, only choosing the Messiah to come saved those in the past before the arrival of the Messiah (Jesus)

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 626 of 716 (806998)
04-30-2017 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 624 by Faith
04-30-2017 9:11 AM


Re: The Star: More about Signs and Symbols
To this, I am definitely in agreement.
The stars were for signs and seasons. They are not just pretty lights in the sky, and they were not placed there at random, as the randomites suggest. And most importantly, the Earth is not just a random planet, but a special planet with special measurements and distances, revolutions, rotations and DESIGN as well as being the planet, that the Lord choose to be born in, live on and die on, to save the sins of the whole Universe.
All things obey His commandments
Read`also Enoch....

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 627 of 716 (806999)
04-30-2017 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 625 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 9:23 AM


Re: Stars are signs
Astrology or daily horoscopes etc... is absolutely bogus and false science, whereas knowing the stars, and the galactic plane, and Milky Way, and star formations and their movements is not anti-sciptural. The Lord wants us to know all of science , because all of His science points to HIM.
People need to know the difference, Christians need not be afraid of science. The more you know, the more you gain faith in the Lords Creation, Design and TIME.
Selah (THINK about it)
AstronomyandtheStars
Stars are signs
Seeing I have going out on Thursday nights praying under the stars, there is much that seems to be coming to me,
concerning the design He has told us in His firmament. because ..... The heavens declare the glory of God and the stars his
handiwork. (Psalms 19)
And the way they are, is by DESIGN and for a purpose and for a SIGN and signs unto us. It is not by evolutionary chance
as perverted ungodly false science will say to you, but by design. For if you know this basic principle, THEN you have a
chance of knowing more. Yet unfortunately most people and even the Lord's people have been persuaded that everything in
life is by chance and at random rather than by design and for a purpose, the LORD'S PURPOSE.
The church people probably above all deeming the constellations pure fiction and myth rather than their formations
showing the Messianic story. nevertheless specifically in the BOOK OF BEGINNINGS called Genesis, (A word for word,
literal exact account of the true science and history of the Earth and the Universe) states that the stars were put there as a
sign for us. (Genesis 1)
Our forefathers knew this and studied the sky and its truths and symbolism. And hence, we also should know what the
star constellations reveal, for it as always shows that the Lord will conquer Satan, and gives the exact means and symbolism
by which He will conclude the GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.
SEE Messianicstoryinthestars.html
Everything was created for the glory of God and in honor to the King of Kings...JESUS. For there is no other Savior in the
Universe, only JESUS. And our Earth is special, as we are at the center of His Creation.
SEE Theearthisthecenter.html
From the beginning, the Lord placed the stars in their patterns and sizes and placements as constellations to tell HIS-story.
The light reaching us was already present and hitting earth because it was HERE that it was to be a sign to us. Therefore
forget the insanity of the million light years away denial. The sign of the stars was present from the beginning. For
remember, the stars did not get created first but light was. later the Lord placed the light into stars. When Adam was created
on the sixth day, when he opened his eyes, Adam saw the star lights in their constellations.
The star patterns were the same as they are now. The only difference is that the Lord shifted the axis’s of the Earth,
making seasons after the first transgression, so that the axis now points towards Polaris. There was no slow recession, but
an instantaneous realignment of the Earth. Therefore reject the mathematically false 25,000 or so recession of the stars
theory, because again, the Earth's poles changed soon after creation so that we got seasons, hot and cold and work and pain
in labor for our sins, so that there has not been a cycle of 25,000 years as yet.
Return to the biblical 6,000 year basis and creation in 4004 B.C. rather than getting deluded by the Mayan start time for a
new recycling.
Similarly understand that a cluster of stars like Pleiades is mathematically impossible, because stars should be randomly
inter-dispersed among the heavens, rather than in such a close cluster. (SEE Pleiades thread).
The different distances mean nothing it is the inclination pathway that means everything. Light speed is not a determinant,
because via phi expansions, there are greater speeds making time at light speed a mute measurement of the past. And it is
for this reason that the Giza shaft ways are pointed exactly towards the stars. For again, when you understand that the
earth is absolutely special and unique, then you will start to sort out why the stars are important. False science says we are
merely one of the planets of one Sun, of one Solar System among billions, and yet there is only ONE SON, and He was
born HERE and died HERE for all the Universe. We are the central focus of the Universe, because HE IS and WAS, and
will be setting His Universe Headquarters, right HERE on EARTH . . New Jerusalem
Therefore what we see, is all important and was put there as a SIGN to us, as the HEAVENS declare the glory of God, via
their stories. The ancients knew this, and yet we have to relearn this, and marvel in this TRUTH..
Psalm 19
1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his
handywork.
2Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of
the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a
strong man to run a race.
6His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends
of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 630 of 716 (807007)
04-30-2017 10:12 AM


AstronomyStarsandSunSigns
Astronomy and the Stars
The problem with the stars, is that the dam perverse dark side has taken over their meaning with it's perverse insane delusional
horoscopes and daily forecasts, so that earthlings start to think they have no choice, and that the heavens dictate what will
happen to them and what their choices will be. Absolutely untrue and a diabolical lie ... IMO. The primary PRINCIPLE of the
Lord is CHOICE!!!! We all have to choose, and no one or no race, or no nationality or group is sacrosanct that does not have to
choose the Lord and His WAY.
Psychics and astrologers of the dark side predict forecasts or prophesy via slick slimy speech and it’s done only for
money. It is not of the Lord or for you; do not believe them, as we have seen some of our friends do. It is not from the Lord.
Having said that though, let me suggest to you, that the positioning of the stars at birth, does dictate our personal make-up or
the variety of personalities the Lord has created to have a balanced community of individuals. You can say, He does this
through natural selection in the genes, but I would say, He does this through the natural sweet influences of the stars when we
are born.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 641 of 716 (807044)
04-30-2017 2:13 PM


OK, lets study Revelation 12
First study and note that all prophecies fit together cohesively, including Revelation 12
Revelation
or complete
RevelationsTimeline
Do note that all of the chapters of Daniel, fit exactly into place...
And as Faith said, Revelation 12 is about the woman, fleeing into the wilderness at the start of the GREAT TRIBULATION. Faith has this part correct !!
Thats at the bottom where the woman with child flees from the dragon, (the AC) We going to Petra as prophesied before by the Lord, to a place prepared for us.
Yes, Mary represents Virgo, and we represent the church, not a building but the followers of Jesus from all nations, all races, all genders, all ages, all intellectual abilities and talents, all as in ALL.
WE flee together lead by our worldly leaders ther Two Prophets
SEE and study
2WitnessesofRevelation

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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Message 642 of 716 (807046)
04-30-2017 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by Davidjay
04-30-2017 2:13 PM


Re: OK, lets study Revelation 12
And notice the exact timeframe of the Great Tribulation... 3.5 years, 1260 days, 42 months exactly.....
Pity we are not allowed to discuss this on a separate thread as we have been trying to discuss this standard and BASIC for a long time, on Proposed New Topics, but it has been disallowed so far.
Maybe too exact and too mathematical for evolutionists to understand, but READERS can easily do the math and easily understand.
Faith was right, about the constellation association, and the woman representing not just Mary and Joseph fleeing the devil (Herod) but us fleeing the AC devil.... SEE Mathew 24 etc etc..

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.
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