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DrJones* Member Posts: 2354 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Who fired the missile is not known. Some reports say the missile is of Russian manufacture but do not say how they might know that
by looking at the remains of it. Of course both russia and Ukraine use russian built weapons.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Tangle Member Posts: 9609 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Biden is saying that the missile didn't originate in Russia, which implies that he knows a lot more about it than he's saying. The BBC has just said that there was a AWACS in the air at the time tracking the latest attacks so there's reason to think he does.
NATO is clearly talking it down and it's fairly clear that targeting a farm in a NATO country isn't likely to be a deliberate Russian tactic but Poland is asking for an Article 4 meeting. Ukraine is asking for NATO air support which they won't get but they may get more equipment as a result.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Everyone so afraid of what happened they don't want say anything.
This is a war. Friendly fire is a reality. I can imagine how embarrassed, nay, mortified, the UDF feels. How do you say "oops" in Ukrainian?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9609 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Biden has just agreed to send Patriot missile batteries to Ukraine. Better late than never I suppose. I wonder how many? They need a lot.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. |
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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Zelensky seems to have accomplished what he set out to do. Not just to capture our money but to capture our hearts. He did well.
My take away: "I assure you that Ukrainian soldiers can operate American tanks and planes themselves." -- Volodymyr ZelenskyStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! |
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
It is now nearly one year later from the date of your post.
Theodoric opened up an interesting rabbit trail which led me back here. I recently watched a documentary from Frontline titled Putin and the Presidents The documentary showcases Vladimir Putin's diplomatic and public relationship with 6 US Presidents.
Theodoric piqued my interest over in Message 554
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Percy Member Posts: 23071 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
By this time there should not be new sanction opportunities against Russia. They should have all been exhausted long ago. Sanctions should mean no one buys anything from you or sells anything to you, all your foreign assets are frozen, your financial system is cut off from the rest of the world, and travel to and from your country is reduced to a trickle. Instead we impose sanctions one little drip at a time, allowing Russia to adjust before the next round of sanctions that never have much impact. We're supporting Ukraine the same way, just little drips of aid that are enough to keep Ukraine alive. If we want the Russia/Ukraine war to drag on forever we're doing just what we should. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I've heard that the BRICS Nations are planning to eventually develop and implement an alternative global reserve currency system that challenges the US Dollar itself. What have you heard?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Irrelevant and probably counterproductive.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I seriously doubt it. Some think that this little war will morph into World War III.
Granted the US Dollar is seemingly secure and is still by far the most stable currency among the basket of global currencies known as the fiat money system that has essentially ruled the world of global finance since 1971, when President Nixon took us off of the gold standard. I maintain that while not particularly relevant at this stage of the conflict, the crack has appeared in our armor and will eventually widen. And by "us" I mean the Western Alliance that has squared off against Vladimir Putin and his bold and brash attempt to reassemble the former Soviet Union, in a sense. The link which you provided months ago and which I am just now reading mentions the politics behind the Duck Duck Go search engine. I use that search engine. And in context, I might mention my link to the Frontline Video again. I realize that we don't "debate by video" but Frontline did a very good job at documenting the mind of Vladimir Putin from his days as a KGB junior officer stationed in East Germany around the time that Ronald Reagan implored Gorbachev to "tear down that wall!"
I might also mention that Putin reserved his most disdain for the Democratic Presidents. The documentary mentions that Joe Biden has no illusions about Putins aspirations as did the two Bushes Father and Son. Edited by Phat, : added video
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
This post is irrelevant to my answer to your last. Is there any way you can stay on topic? Do you want to discuss the BRICS nations developing their own reserve system or do you want to spout ridiculous conspiracy theories?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
What conspiracy theory am I espousing? Are you afraid that the dollar might actually get dethroned? Stranger things have happened in wartime. You are the History Buff.
What do you think about BRICS?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Nope.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18691 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
I edited. Try again. Is it still nope?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Make an argument. If I decide to respond I will.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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