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Author Topic:   Young earth creationism is valid and the macroevolutionary hypothesis is not valid
JonF
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Message 142 of 316 (91015)
03-07-2004 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by kendemyer
03-07-2004 6:46 PM


Re: To: ASGARA
As far as my debating skills, I will let others judge my debating skills
OK. You have none. You know nothing of the subjects of these threads, and you are totally incapable of writing a coherent paragraph or a logical exposition of your beleifs.

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JonF
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Message 287 of 316 (93870)
03-22-2004 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by kendemyer
03-22-2004 2:32 PM


Re: Nothing has no causal power
I believe that nothing has no causal power
Unsupported assertion.
and it certainly does not have the power to cause gigantic explosions as per some Big bang theorist say
No Big Bang theorists mention explosions, gigantic or not. The Big Bang was not an explosion. As with the Casimir effect, you are criticising without understanding. Until you have some basic understanding of cosmological theories your "criticisms" will remain meaningless.

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JonF
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Message 289 of 316 (93886)
03-22-2004 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by kendemyer
03-22-2004 3:11 PM


Re: Nothing has zero causal power
I did address why I believe nothing has zero causal power.
Rhetoric is not evidence.

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JonF
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Message 291 of 316 (93906)
03-22-2004 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by kendemyer
03-22-2004 4:37 PM


Re: Nothing has zero causal power
Science uses inductive reasoning.
Yes, but youoffered rhetoric.
I also used logic
Sort of. Your logic is only as good as your assumptions, and several people have pointed out how poor your assumptions are.
I also see that you offered nothing to show nothing has causal power.
Yup. I haven't made any claims, I have nothing to support. You're the one who has made a claim and supported it with no mare than rhetoric.

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JonF
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Message 296 of 316 (93988)
03-22-2004 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by crashfrog
03-22-2004 6:06 PM


that would lead us to believe that something can come from nothing.
Except for, of course, the Casimir effect, which is quite literally something coming from nothing.
And the Casimir Effect is probably just the easiest manifestation of something coming from nothing to explain ... every particle in the Universe is surrounded by a cloud of virtual particles coming from and returning to nothing, and if they weren't our measurements would be very different from what we see.
The Casimir effect: a force from nothing is a reasonably non-technical article on the Casimir effect, including the fact that it has a significant effect on
microelectromechanical systems (MEMS) such as the accelerometer that is part of the control system of the airbag in your car.

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JonF
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Message 300 of 316 (94395)
03-24-2004 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by kendemyer
03-23-2004 8:12 PM


Re: nothing generating something still implausible
It seems as if there is a divergence of opinion regarding the source of zero point energy and the casimir effect.
Not among those who understand the theory, are familiar with the observations, and do not have an axe to grind.
All that your quotes from creationist websites evince is that they know the jargon a little better than you but, like you, they don't have any idea whereof they speak.

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