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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
with an irreducably complex mechanism LOL
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I know of no scientific hypothesis that depends on thousands of animals hibernating that are physically unable to hibernate naturally. When your corner of science acknowledges the fact of the supernatural dimension you'll understand. A lot of intelligent creo scientists and physicists believe that there is a supernatural dimension in the universe. Scientists sweep the prophecies as evidence under the rug so to speak so as to avoid acknowledging the facts of their fulfillment as verified by history.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Ah yes. When in doubt about anything to say you can always fall back on the old {when you learn you'll understand} passive-agressive pseudo-superiority insults.
As if you have the inside track (a belief not based on fact ... wait that's a tautology) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Ah! I understand Buz. You recognize that it is necessary to have miricles involved. That this can not be covered by anything that pretends to be testable science.
Fine, then you may be a creationist, but you are not a creation-scientist. There is, therefore, no room for this in science classes. That's all a lot of us ask. Just leave the science class alone.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
You miss my point, Ned. If it exists, it should be in the classroom. Why should that which exists be forbidden in the classroom? That some, I say some scientists deny it's existence does not mean the others who do are wrong until it is proven that they indeed are wrong. It all depends on how you interpret things observed and that includes the fulfilled prophecies as well as archeology, etc. The classroom is very biased and one sided.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
All it has to be done is proven by repeatable, independent tests or review of available evidence.
As an example, we have people claiming to see ghosts(demons, angels whatever the heck). Since we "see" them I presume that our eyes are being affected by light from them. Ah, but then we want to do some independent observation -- nope somehow they don't photograph. If that is the kind of "proof" that is going to be offered you're just asking for laughter not serious consideration. Science deals with what can be observed, worked with etc. If you have something that exists be can not be treated in this way then all the processes of science that has been honed for centuries can do is wish you good luck with it. It is not part of what the processes can deal with. Ask an accountant to make courtroom comments about DNA parentage issues. S/he'll tell you that her/his tools don't work on that. Tell a scientists that you have something that can't be measured in any existing way and you'll get the same answer. To science, with it's specific, designed in limits, this thing doesn't exist. It is not something that is designed to deal with everything you can imagine, existing or not. It is designed to deal only with things that have the kind of evidence that it can deal with. Take it to someone else or find a way to repeatably measure it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Ned. If it exists, it should be in the classroom. necrophilia exists - should there be class demonstrations? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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mf Inactive Member |
There is some evidence that civilization before the flood was fairly advanced. Think about it. If everyone and all the kids they had in their lives lived to be 800 years old, the population would be huge, and people would have a lot more time to figure out what things were about (living to be that old and all). I don't want to get in to any kind of conspiracy theory garbage or anything like that — some people would argue that I already have, but here it is: There are some creationist theories about ancient atomic knowledge.
The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth--men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air--for I am grieved that I have made them. Genesis 6 Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana hurled a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour... a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds... ...the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols... ..it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. ...The corpses were so burned As to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours All foodstuffs were infected... ...to escape from this fire The soldiers threw themselves in streams To wash themselves and their equipment. Excerpt from the Mahabharata (ancient Indian epic) http://www.s8int.com/atomic1.html Now obviously this site may have some problems, as it cites some conspiracy theory organizations, but please read the article on ancient atomic explosions. It is very interesting, and explanations are there even if you do not believe in a creation or flood. I will post more later on the topic of history, as it very much relates to this debate. (I hope that this forum is not strictly science, because if it is, then history should be added)
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mf Inactive Member |
Oh yea, my point was this:
If people lived 800 years, then they would probably be able to figure out things like reverse osmosis.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Rose in all its splendour...
Could just as easily be the observation of a meteor striking the earth with subsequent explosion on an atomic scale. This has occured several times within the archaeological past.a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds... ...the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols... ..it was an unknown weapon, I fail to see how Gen 6 shows advanced civilization. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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mf Inactive Member |
Genesis 6 shows the possibility of a description of advanced warfare before the flood.
...and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. It seems that if this was the case, then weapon technology development would escalate very quickly.
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mf Inactive Member |
I think the key to showing that they were not talking about a meteor was this part:
Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana hurled a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe. Gurkha was flying in a swift and powerful vimana. He hurled a single projectile. ** * * * * * * PS: this is really interesting as well:
The letters in the mosaic are "KROKODILOPARDALIS" which translate as "crocodile leopard." Think harder.
Ancient Dinosaur Depictions | Genesis Park [This message has been edited by mf, 03-27-2004]
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Lindum Member (Idle past 3426 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: |
That "excerpt" doesn't appear in any version of the Mahabharata that I can find. Seems to have been pieced together from the various books by/for UFO conspiracy theorists. Here's a few lines I've found from another translation.
Charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour... Book 8: Karna Parva, Section 34"Then He called Nila Rohita (Blue and Red or smoke)that terrible deity robed in skins,looking like 10,000 Suns, and shrouded by the fire of superabundant Energy, blazed up with splendour." ... An iron thunderbolt,A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. Book 16: Mausala Parva, Section 1"When the next day came, Samva actually brought forth an iron bolt through which all the individuals in the race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas became consumed into ashes. Indeed, for the destruction of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas, Samva brought forth, through that curse, a fierce iron bolt that looked like a gigantic messenger of death." ... The hair and nails fell out;Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. Book 16: Mausala Parva, Section 2"The streets swarmed with rats and mice. Earthen pots showed cracks or broke from no apparent cause. At night, the rats and mice ate away the hair and nails of slumbering men. Sarikas chirped, sitting within the houses of the Vrishnis. The noise made by those birds ceased not for even a short while by day or by night. The Sarashas were heard to imitate the hooting of the owl, and goats imitated the cries, O Bharata, of jackals. Many birds appeared, impelled by Death, that were pale of complexion but that had legs red of hue." Translation from http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/index.htm But anyway, back to the ark... If technology really was advanced back then, why build the ark from wood and pitch? Genesis doesn't suggest anything more advanced than that.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Ned, no matter how remarkable the best of the Biblical prophecies, secularist education absolutely refuses to hear of it, much less acknowledge the fact of it regardless of the historical evidence.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and yet there is no evidence of any people living that long ever
no fossils that support that story at all in fact the trend is the other way -- the further back you go the lower the average and maximum age at death parameters become until you get to hominids that were lucky to get to twenty. IF is a very big word. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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