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arachnophilia
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Message 74 of 203 (318810)
06-07-2006 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
06-07-2006 3:59 PM


Re: no true Muslim
that Jews and Christians don't go around killing nonJews and nonChristians because they think the Bible tells them to.
i'll make you a deal. go live in israel or palestine for a year, and then come back and tell me that. and maybe i'll believe you.
but the religious tension is far, far more complicated than you are probably aware of, and much more so than you make out. did you know, for instance, that there are groups of orthodox jews who support hamas? here is one such organization's congratulations letter to hamas. i specifically like their use of "torah jews" which i guess are kind of like "bible christians."
Those who have done violence in the name of Christ have not done it by the BIBLE but by human traditions that ignore the Bible, except for a very very few people who think they are supposed to live like the Israelites although not a single command to Bible readers to violence can be found in the OT either.
uh, even the direct commandment to commit genocide against six nations, found in deuteronomy 20? tell me, if you take the bible as literal history -- have you read the book of joshua? there's a group of jews killing nonjews because they think god himself tells them to do so. that's about as biblical as you can get.


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arachnophilia
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Message 77 of 203 (318832)
06-07-2006 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
06-07-2006 4:47 PM


Re: no true Muslim
I'm familiar enough with the situation there from people who do live in Israel and I'd bet anything you are buying leftist anti-Jewish propaganda.
yes, the leftist anti-jewish propaganda that i hear from my teacher, who was born and raised in israel, served her term in the israeli air force, teaches at a local hebrew school, and is quite jewish.
seriously. do you hear yourself? i'm probably the most hebrew-friendly non-jew on this board. heck, my signature is in hebrew. i consistently take a VERY jewish point of view in religious debates. and you're accusing me of being antisemitic, for pointing out that some people in the jewish community are also crazy, and anti-israel themselves?
Well, how very interesting that if they are "like Bible Christians" they are OPPOSING the kind of violence that everybody here likes to attribute to Bible believers. Did you bother to think about that? It makes MY case, not yours.
yes, they are opposing violence by supporting hamas. wonderful logic, there.
So there are orthodox Jews who oppose Zionism and there are leftist Jews who oppose anything the Israeli government does. What else is new? How does that prove anything about THE BIBLE'S BEING THE SOURCE OF VIOLENCE BY JEWS AGAINST NONJEWS? It proves the exact opposite.
just for clarification, hamas is the group that supports violent overthrow of the state of israel, by means of terrorism. i'm sure you know this. are you playing stupid?
they support this because, as they interpret the bible, they are supposed to currently be in exile, as the messiah has not yet come. they think that the state of israel does not have god's blessing, as evidenced by the lack of a messiah on the throne. and they are supporting a group that seeks to violently overthrow israel.
that's a little different than opposing some politics -- though ironically people over here often seem to mistake questioning politicians and actively supporting terrorists.
AS I SAID, the Bible does not command ITS READERS to do such things!! Why can't anybody read???? "TO BIBLE READERS" GOT IT? The Bible has many SPECIFIC HISTORICAL incidents in which the Israelites were commanded to kill particular other tribes. There is NOTHING that suggests anything other than an action for a PARTICULAR TIME AND PLACE AND PURPOSE.
because nobody EVER reads the bible out of context, or misinterprets what it says.
but lemme ask you: killing the infidels was ok in joshua's time, and not an example of jewish people religiously motivated to violence?
adding bolds in order to shout loud enough to get heard
classy.
Edited by arachnophilia, : content, typoes


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