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New Cat's Eye
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Message 67 of 203 (318771)
06-07-2006 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Jazzns
06-07-2006 12:00 PM


What are the war verses?
In context the war verses can only be interpreted by a reasonable person as being defensive.
Faith and others on her side of the fence feel that they have demonstrated that the war verses are a call to religious imperialism.
Would you, if you easily can, link me to the war verses or the thread discussing them?
I don't think I've read them before and am interested.
I'll let you know what they really mean after I read them
Thanks.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 108 of 203 (319035)
06-08-2006 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Jazzns
06-08-2006 8:46 AM


Religion is an easy thing to use because it goes to the heart of so many people. There is nothing more comforting to those people then the idea that somehow God is justifying what they are doing. It is wrong, but it has nothing to do with the religion itself and everything to do with the people claiming it.
This might be a bit of a quote-mine but I don't see how you can type that it has nothing to do with the religion itself, which is the source of the misinterpretations that support terrorism. I mean, do you think there could be a Buddhist terrorist?
I just don't think that it has nothing to do with the religion. The terrorists are muslims and are making that well known, it has to have something to do with their religion.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 116 of 203 (319136)
06-08-2006 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by jar
06-08-2006 10:16 AM


So terrorists are muslim?
I was typing about specific terrorists, you know...the ones having a Jihad. Obviously not all terrorists are muslims and I wasn't generalising like you made me out to be.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 117 of 203 (319139)
06-08-2006 2:23 PM
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06-08-2006 10:55 AM


To clarify, the religion does not cause or prescribe the terrorism or genocide.
That is a matter of interpretation of the religion. I would say that for some of the terrorists, the religion did cause or prescribe it. They'd just be wrong about the religion, if it actually didn't. Still though, the religion has something to do with it.
It is just not the default position of the religion to do those things as can be demonstrated by the text and actions of mainline Moslems.
Well, the actions of the mainline muslims aren't in the spotlight like the terrorists actions are so it can be hard to tell sometimes. The demonstations of the texts are not absolutely clear. Ever consider that your intepretation is wrong and the terrorist's is right?
Obviously the anti-Islam folk disagree with me but they have an axe to gring against Islam. Right now Islam is in the news-light and those involved in the triangle of mutual hate between the Abrahamic faiths like to take any opportunity they can to distinguish their particular worship of the one true God. Many Moslems do the exact same thing that Faith and company are doing here pointing to the "vile decadence" of the Christian West as a defining element of THAT religion.
I'm not here to bash Islam, from what I do know about it, it looks like a decent religion.
Moslems
Why do you spell it like that?
Why do others spell is muslim?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 201 of 203 (321776)
06-15-2006 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Jazzns
06-08-2006 3:08 PM


Well, the actions of the mainline muslims aren't in the spotlight like the terrorists actions are so it can be hard to tell sometimes.
Definitly and that happens in lots of circumstances with the media. The same thing happens against Christianity when only the Robertsons and Fallwells of the world make the news.
Yup, and with Pitbulls too. Its a shame.
The demonstations of the texts are not absolutely clear. Ever consider that your intepretation is wrong and the terrorist's is right?
Yes I have very much so. My standard methodolgy for approaching these types of situations is to examine the evidence and come to a conclusion based on that evidence. In this case I have read the Koran and the verses being discussed and in the context of the passages I can in no way see them as calls to religious imperialism. I have heard the arguments from the other side but all I see is them taking those quotes and removing all the surrounding context to produce their conclusion.
Yeah, that happens all too often. Especially on this forum.
If they have some OTHER kind of convincing argument about why I should accept their interpretation over mine, which also happens to be the mainstream one, then they have yet to present it.
Well I think the interpretation should be something you come up with yourself and suplimented with other peoples opinions. It doesn't look very hard for Islam to be portrayed as....lemme just type 'bad'. Of course, its not that hard to do to christianity either. But, IMHO, christianity is not as 'bad' as islam.
Moslem, Muslim . vowels in the language are sort of flexible.
Why do you choose the spelling that you do? Why spell it different than everyone else in the thread?

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Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 203 of 203 (322801)
06-18-2006 4:05 AM
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06-16-2006 8:54 AM


Then again, my family are generally regarded as the 'hicks' of the arab world.
Laugh Out Fucking Loud.
My family are regarded as the 'hicks' of the white christian world.

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