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Author Topic:   Islamic jihad: the genocide in the Sudan
Buzsaw
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Message 80 of 203 (318854)
06-07-2006 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Modulous
06-07-2006 7:40 AM


Re: Revolution
Modulous writes:
A peaceful moderate Muslim East would be absolutely wonderful, but those in power will do anything to stay there. And if that means bullying people with threats of Allah's wrath, the destruction of culture, rape and bullets in the head, then they will if they can get away with it.
Re Sudan particularly - some of the people are trying to get out from the yoke of oppression, but the cost is so high they have to think of their lives and their families' lives as well as the rest of the innocent people that could die in civil war/revolution. Hopefully, the struggles will continue and the situation will be favourably stabilized. I don't have much confidence that it will be any time soon...though there is some cautious optimism from other quarters.
Islam will never change. Why? Because their holy books, the Quran, the Hadith and the Sunnah's all advocate violent expansion of Islam and ultimate world conquest. According to the OT prophets, they will nearly succeed, stopped only by the 2nd advent of the the Judeo-Christian Messiah. The reason the leaders are violent is because they are the ones who are the closest to the books and the most devout.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 132 of 203 (319358)
06-08-2006 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by RickJB
06-08-2006 8:50 AM


Re: literal
Rick writes:
I certainly wouldn't deny the Koran contains more than it's fair share of violent text. Nor would I deny that this text is used to justify violence.
I only argue that the Bible has the same sort of content that has been interpreted in similar ways.
The difference: The Bible's OT violence is authorized for one nation of one period in history to establish one messianic kingdom. The Quranic violence is for all Muslims of all ages to establish a world conquest for Allah/Islam until planet earth is conquered and subjected to Islam.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 152 of 203 (319721)
06-09-2006 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by RickJB
06-09-2006 4:09 AM


Re: Big Difference.
Rick writes:
What difference? Both endorse religious conquest one one form or another! Your "difference" is based on nothing more than the switching of synonyms.
What difference? You're not reading and if you are, you aren't comprehending.
Israel=one Tiny nation
Area= One tiny nation
Time of conquest= one relatively brief terminal period in history
Islam= all nations
Area= global
Time of conquest= unending

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 154 of 203 (319738)
06-09-2006 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Modulous
06-09-2006 7:51 PM


Re: know your enemy
Modulous writes:
However, I find equating Islam with the brutal theocracies that were/are self-proclaimed Islamic states is not good. Likewise with extremists. The question with Islam centres around only one thing, the Qu'ran - the written Word of God according to Muslims. Everything else in Islam is ancillary. Unfortunately, over the centuries some very bad people who claim to be an authority on the issue have used the religion to their own ends to increase their power or wealth. This has left us with a right royal mess. But the Qu'ran says that if we quarrel about anything we should refer it to Allah and the Apostle.
From what I've learned about Islam over the years is that the Quran is not the one thing of Islamic doctrine. It has to Muslim doctrinal theology about the same status as the Biblical OT has to Christians. The Hadith and the Sunnahs are as significant doctrinally to the Islam clerics and leaders who do the leading, inspiring and teaching as the Biblical NT are to Christianity. Much of the violent inspiration comes from these.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 156 of 203 (319741)
06-09-2006 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Isaac
06-09-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Big Difference.
Hi Isana. Welcome to EvC. We're talking what the scriptures teach and advocate. Anyone outside of the narrow timeframe and locality of Biblical violence has no Biblical justification or authority from the book for violence. Not so with Islam. Those who do violence are not Biblical Christians and are doctrinally false.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 159 of 203 (319771)
06-09-2006 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by jar
06-09-2006 9:36 PM


Re: Big Difference.
Jar writes:
What about those Biblical Christians who incite or call for violence? Are they doctrinally false?
What constitutes inciting violence is another topic and I'm sure you're as fussy about topic in other threads as you are your own.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 165 of 203 (319786)
06-09-2006 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by randman
06-09-2006 9:48 PM


Re: Mohammed's High Status
Randman writes:
Actually, Mohammed is considered their chief prophet.
Right. Not only that, but in order to become a Muslim one must declare that Allah is god and Muhammed is the god Allah's prophet.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 166 of 203 (319787)
06-09-2006 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by jar
06-09-2006 10:13 PM


Re: Big Difference.
Talk to someone else, Jar. Buzsaw staying the topic course.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Buzsaw
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Message 199 of 203 (320657)
06-11-2006 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Modulous
06-10-2006 5:39 PM


Re: Mohamed Himself Violent
Modulous writes:
I can easily say that violent extremism was not part of original Islam.
Easily? LOL. Better study up on the extreme terrorism of the prophet Mohammed himself and his raiders, Mod.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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