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RickJB
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Message 39 of 203 (318675)
06-07-2006 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
06-07-2006 9:12 AM


Re: the sacred texts
It's a shame you are so quick to condemn Islam out of hand for the sort of extremrism that has existed in Chrtistianity throughout its history.
As much killing has been done in the name of Jesus as has been in the name of Allah. It just so happens that the Islamic world is experiencing its own "dark ages" at the moment.
Islam isn't the enemy - relgious extremism (of any sort) and poverty are our true enemies.

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RickJB
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Message 44 of 203 (318706)
06-07-2006 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Faith
06-07-2006 9:57 AM


Re: the sacred texts
The texts of the Bible are also often violent in content. I stand by what I said.
faith writes:
Learn something for a change instead of spouting the usual politically correct lies.
This reflects very poorly on you, Faith.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

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RickJB
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Message 47 of 203 (318712)
06-07-2006 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
06-07-2006 11:12 AM


Re: no true Muslim
faith writes:
The Christian texts are violated by violence, while the war verses of the Koranic texts are fulfilled by violence.
A pure value judgment on your part - one is "violated", whilst the other is "fulfilled". You don't win the argument by playing with verb connotations!
The fact is they BOTH contain violence that is open to interpretation.

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RickJB
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Message 49 of 203 (318718)
06-07-2006 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Faith
06-07-2006 11:26 AM


Re: no true Muslim
Why would I make such a thing up?
Even a cursory review of history demonstrates repeatedly that both the Koran and the Bible have to been used to inspire acts of violence.
Do you seriously deny this?

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RickJB
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Message 51 of 203 (318725)
06-07-2006 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Faith
06-07-2006 11:34 AM


Re: no true Muslim
"But God will shatter the heads of his enemies..." Psalms 68:21
"...they have rejected the word of the Lord, and what wisdom is in them? Therefore I will give their wives to others..." Jeremiah 8:9
"...I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the light of this sun." Samuel 12:11
"Behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger...Whoever is found will be thrust through and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished."
Isaiah 13:9, 13:15
'Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women...'" Ezekiel 9:5
"The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth." Matthew 13:49
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Just a tiny selection..
Of course these are mostly OT, but then many Christians see the OT as an important part of the faith, especially creationist literalists...

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RickJB
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Message 69 of 203 (318776)
06-07-2006 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Faith
06-07-2006 12:02 PM


Re: no true Muslim
faith writes:
The subject is actions by HUMAN BEINGS, and where they get their inspiration.
Exactly! The Bible has just as much ability to inspire violence as the Koran.
faith writes:
..And it is very clear that a believer can't get inspired to violence from the Bible, though a Muslim can from the Koran.
Nonsense. Many HAVE interpreted the Bible to support violent action. History stands squarely against you on this. One is free to interpret scripture as one chooses. If God uses punishment of a certain type, might not some of his followers be lead by His example?
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RickJB
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Message 105 of 203 (319017)
06-08-2006 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by ThingsChange
06-08-2006 8:22 AM


Re: literal
I certainly wouldn't deny the Koran contains more than it's fair share of violent text. Nor would I deny that this text is used to justify violence.
I only argue that the Bible has the same sort of content that has been interpreted in similar ways.

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RickJB
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Message 133 of 203 (319425)
06-09-2006 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
06-08-2006 10:36 PM


Re: literal
buzz writes:
The difference: The Bible's OT violence is authorized for one nation of one period in history to establish one messianic kingdom. The Quranic violence is for all Muslims of all ages to establish a world conquest for Allah/Islam until planet earth is conquered and subjected to Islam.
What difference? Both endorse religious conquest one one form or another! Your "difference" is based on nothing more than the switching of synonyms.

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RickJB
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Message 135 of 203 (319464)
06-09-2006 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
06-09-2006 8:08 AM


Re: literal
Like arguing that "sprinting for the bus" and "running for the bus" are two totally different actions.

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