What Is The Positive Evidence For Atheism?

Might as well ask what is the positive evidence for not believing in the immaterial pink unicorn or santa claus or the tooth fairy or zeus. I can't speak for others, but evolution wasn't the thing that drove me to atheism. It was the christian's tendency to discriminate in the name of god. Um, no. Hoot Mon claims to be an atheist and he has some rather weird ideas about evolution. Huh?

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Not necessarily. Atheists like myself do not say there is no god. We say that a universe with a god seem to be identical to a universe without a god.Many years ago, my friends and I had a thought experiment. Could we prove that there is no immaterial pink unicorn in the room we were in? Long story short, we concluded that a room with an immaterial pink unicorn inside is identical to a room without an immaterial pink unicorn. The question then came up. Why didn't we believe in an immaterial pink unicorn standing inside our room right then?We don't believe in a god for the same reason that we don't believe in an immaterial pink unicorn standing in the room we are in.So, it's not that we say there is no room for god in our universe. It's that a universe with a god is identical to a universe without a god.Note that this position does not preclude the existence of god. Until someone can prove that this god can have real influence on the universe we occupy, the belief or disbelief in this god is pointless.For me, personally, I don't believe in an immaterial pink unicorn because it's silly to believe in something that neither can be detected nor has any influence on anything we can detect. Now, replace "immaterial pink unicorn" with "god".

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I wasn't referring to the god of the old testament. I was referring to the god here and now. So far, I haven't seen a single piece of evidence that would suggest this omnipotent god would have any affect on the physical reality that I live in. This, of course, doesn't mean that god does not exist. It just means that so far the universe that I live in is identical to a universe that doesn't have a god. Well, in principal a room with an immaterial pink unicorn is different than a room without an immaterial pink unicorn. But the question is how the flying squirrel do you tell the difference between the two?

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Ok, let's suppose that there is a god. How does this help us better understand the physical universe we are in?Let me be more specific. Can you think of any single natural phenomenon that requires a miracle being to exist? Can you name one mathematical equation that describes a physical system that also has a variable "god" in there?Again, I must go back to the immaterial pink unicorn. Suppose we are in a room. Someone comes up with the idea that there might be an immaterial pink unicorn standing in the room with us. What's the point of believing in its existence if there is no conceivable way we can detect this immaterial pink unicorn?

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Right, right. Can you give us the mathematical equation(s) that represent this miracle of creation? Are you trying to say that I'm a murderer and a rapist? Ok, how about goblins? What about doppelgangers? What about the alien race called the Zeta?GDR, just because a bunch of people are delusional doesn't necessarily make the delusion true. I've seen your posts enough to know you are well aware of this logical fallacy. Are you playing dumb or are you lying for your faith?

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Ok, forget immaterial pink unicorn. What about witches, aliens, and a myriad other supernatural creatures that many people believe in? Then stop bring morality into this issue. GDR, just don't try to deny it. I've talked to enough christians to know this is essentially the crux of the matter everytime morality is brought into this issue, that atheists can't have any moral. Then provide it and point to me where the miracle part is.

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But this is just it. How do we know the "something instead of nothing" part isn't an inevitable thing? Also, how is this not GOTG?

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See, this is the number one misconception about people like me. I don't fill the gaps with science. I don't fill the gaps with the natural. I see it as nothing more than gaps. Why? Because I'm honest with myself.

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GDR, aren't you a cdesign proponentist?

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Panda's Thumb was originally written as a creationist argument. When they realized they couldn't put religion into the science classroom, they changed all the words 'creation' and 'creationist' to 'intelligent design' and 'design proponent'. I guess they were in a hurry, because they did a sloppy job on one of them. At one instance, it was 'cdesign proponentist'. This issue came up in the trial over Dover School District fiasco. So, you could literally say they found a missing link, a transitional fossil that linked creationism and intelligent design.We were discussing a PBS series on this issue in this thread.I could have sworn you're an IDist.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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Well, at least you're intellectually honest.Now you know the true origin of ID. It started out as creationism. Then it evolved into ID. It took an investigator days of reading through thousands of pages of texts to discover the transitional missing link between the species creationist and species design proponent. Honestly, it blew my mind to find out they actually found a transitional species called cdesign proponentist.

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Now, let's be honest with yourself. Just how many everyday creationists do you know that (1) do not believe in a young Earth, (2) do not have at least a dozen misconceptions about evolution, and (3)do not believe the world was literally created in 6 days by the judeo-christian god? Again, let's be honest with yourself. How many everday creationists do you know of that do not have at least a dozen misconceptions about science in general and do not take the bible as a science text book?Even my PhD engineer brother-in-law is a young earth creationist. When he talks publically or to a lot of people, he never refers to himself as believing in the 6 day creation thing. I guess he caught on somewhere that it sounds silly. But I've known him long enough to know he actually believes that the Earth is only 6k years old and that all biologists, geologists, and physicists are dumbasses for believing in a much older universe.I'm wondering if it's the same case with you or not.

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