Fresh Problem with the Ark

still no reference of anything outside the ark surviving."not really reasonable" is just your opinion, which for someone who makes up stuff to make belief in a mythical story is not one I give much credence to."everything on the face of the earth died ... Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark."It is not really reasonable to read this to say that most of the life on the planet was exempt.enjoy

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Was it alive during the flood? Or did it grow just after the flood? Your answer would probably be that it was created full blown just after the flood if it was in your interest, when the truth is you just don't know because it is not covered.And olive trees aren't fish or dolphins or octopus or sea turtles ... etcetera. And again, you just don't know because it was not covered.Furthermore, if over 3/4ths of the life on the planet was not wiped out by the flood ... then what else escaped this loose rending of wrath? Seems to me that once you allow an escape clause that the whole "everything died" thing is in sever question ... "everything but 3/4ths of creation died" just doesn't cut it does it?Another question it opens up is why all the birds were killed when there are species that can easily have spent that entire time at sea -- it is their natural environment ... Storm Petrels and the like.Please go back and read how ridiculous 'whatever' got on this issue -- it is a good hoot, and might save you some embarrassment. Koalas in floating islands of trees? ROFLOL.

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if one is out of rolls, peut on mange brioche?but broaching in any boat is not experience to be savored, and I think you get my drift ......are there still buffaloes in texas?

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ahahahahahahhaaaaaaanything but the mooning pool ... ( or was that moonie?)

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Marley Fowat fan?
The Boat Who Wouldn't Float (click)

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(1) the olive tree - all you know is that there was one pranch of an olive tree after the flood receeded ... and it could have been days after ... you just don't know(2) you didn's answer why 3/4ths of the living organisms on the planet were exempt from the blanket edict. shoddy work(3) still no reference to any specific survival during the flood(4) the passage says all birds died, that is the difference between sea birds and sea mammals. curious that isn't it?(5) the koalas were 'whatever's' contribution to explaining why koalas were in australia and only in australia, among some other very amusing imaginings.

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always good to know how to roll with the punches before the punches come. especially when life depends on it. not just for kayaking.

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nuff said ps -- don't wake up the moose ...This message has been edited by RAZD, 06-26-2004 02:58 PM

Still doesn't show where any thing outside the ark lived throught the flood.You claim the fish did -- so show me where that is allowed.Note that over 3/4ths of the life one this planet is in the oceans, so if they are excempt from the decree I don't see any exceptions there ...This message has been edited by RAZD, 06-26-2004 10:40 PM

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No -- we'll have to agree that there is no verse anywhere in the bible that says any single thing outside the ark survived.That is the plain fact of the matter, no matter how you interpret things.

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It should be news to everyone, for it is not told anywhere in the bible or you would have given the passage.This means that you are making it up, and that is neither scientific nor a literal bible interpretation, but fantasy.enjoy.

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not to mention turbidity ... and the levels of oxygen ... what were they?But then we get to fish inside caves so they fall under things in the earth ... some of the most specialized species of fish?

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Nothing like free will to make a decision with a gun to your head.heh.

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You need to read the rest of whatever's posts on this ... it gets to the point where the only ones that need to be in the ark are humans imho.good entertainment.ps -- platypus are bottom feeders in fresh water streamsThis message has been edited by RAZD, 06-27-2004 04:28 PM

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Of course there was food on board, that is given in the verses. What is not given is any reference to fishes surviving, fishing for food or catching rain water or getting water from the ocean to replenish supplies: it was all on board.The point is that by a strict literal interpretation of the verses in question, every single form of life on earth either survived on the ark or evolved since (which is a real hoot concept if creationists claim there wasn't enought time for evolution to work). Fishes, whales, octopii, corals, barnacles, yada yada.OR some way of explaining the survival of organisms outside the ark must be given in a logical and consistent manner: consistent with the bible and with science. This explanation must be given for every species involved.OR you can say "I don't know" instead of dancing around it. That would be an honest answer, but certainly not one that would get far in a science class in public schools.Perhaps it is a matter of facing reality that when it come to the ark story: you either believe in fantasy as a literal occurance, a story as an intentionally overstated allegory based on a lesser true event, or that nothing like it occured at all.I tend to the middle interpretation, as I believe all myths have some truths behind them (the story of Troy for instance ... historians thought it was myth until an early archaeologist searched the myth for clues and then found the ancient city). Scientists have found several candidates for floods that could have been such a source of an ancient myth that pre-date the earliest times of the bible and could have been part of the ancient knowledge incorporated therein.What's it to me? Perhaps I get insulted when people tell be that it literally happened in spite of evidence to the contrary and that they want to reform education to present it as a truth in place of actual science.I could ask: what's it to you? Why do you feel it is important for this myth to be true? Does it move the earth from the center of the universe? Does it change any of Christ's teachings?enjoy.

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