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Author Topic:   THE END OF EVOLUTION?
cavediver
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Message 4 of 284 (491721)
12-20-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LucyTheApe
12-20-2008 3:49 AM


Ok, I've read the article in Time...
The second law of thermodynamics in action. Convergence.
My question is; does evolution comply? And to what end?.
...and I have to ask, WTF? Did you read the same article? Just what the hell are you talking about?
If your question is simply 'does evolution comply with the 2LoT?' then the answer is equally simply 'yes'.

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cavediver
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Message 8 of 284 (491738)
12-20-2008 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by LucyTheApe
12-20-2008 2:20 PM


Re: Evolution ended? Not!
The article in Time is a rather careless response to the Kansas School
Board's decision to remove evolution from the school curriculum in 1999.
No, it isn't a response, careless or otherwise. It merely mentions their decision as it was recent news that involved evolution
or is it accelerating at 100 times it's previous rate (which we've been told lately)
By whom?
The second law requires a system to converge to an equilibrium at some time.
An isolated system will do so (though I have to ask - an equilibrium of what?) To what isolated system are you referring?

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cavediver
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Message 17 of 284 (491756)
12-20-2008 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by LucyTheApe
12-20-2008 5:01 PM


Re: Evolution ended? Not!
Lack of facts has never been an obstacle to the evolutionary theorists from forging ahead with their theory.
Total assertion on your part, and utterly false.
Well one of the problems is that the meaning of the TOE changes every other day.
Total assertion on your part, and utterly false.
But I can guarantee that I wouldn't last through an hours lecture on Biology or Geology. I don't consider disciplines that are based on unsupported assumptions science.
This statement betrays an unbelievable level of ignorance and makes me seriously doubt your claim to have two 'degrees'.
And there is no requirement that a system be closed to reach equilibrium. ALL systems reach equilibrium. That's a law of nature.
No, it is not.
The temperature of a pot of boiling water will reach equilibrium at 100C irrespective of how much energy you put into the system. The earth is another. Evolution MUST reach equilibrium at some point. When is the question.
This merely provides unquestionable evidence that you have no clue as to what is meant by 'equilibrium'.

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cavediver
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Message 21 of 284 (491762)
12-20-2008 7:23 PM
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12-20-2008 7:15 PM


Re: Evolution ended? Not!
Now piss of out of this thread so that we can discuss the issue at hand.
Unfortunately, you have no topic to discuss given your woeful lack of knowledge regarding the subjects that have been raised. Perhaps you can start again and describe exactly what issue you had in mind. Was it the current state of human evolution? Or something to do with thermodynamics? Or the 'unfounded assumptions' that lie behind the entire fields of biology and geology? Or are you just a little bit confused? I'm going to bed. Perhaps you can be less confused by the morning?

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cavediver
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Message 35 of 284 (502924)
03-14-2009 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by LucyTheApe
03-13-2009 9:18 PM


Re: 2ndLOT
PaulK, I'm making the connection. Evolution is based on information. Thermodynamics extends to information as Shannon pointed out. To advance the TOE we need a mathematical expression.
There is as much idiocy written about thermodynamics as quantum mechanics, and I can see that it is only increasing here... Stop reading nonsense and then regurgitating it as if you have some authority. Some of us actually understand the subject and I can assure you that the 2ndLoT is as much an obstacle to evolution as it is to the formation of snowflakes, stars, basalt columns, and the layered distribution of my cornflakes in the packet - i.e. it isn't in any way, shape, or form, and anyone with an ounce of credibility with the subject realises this. But hey, who I am to say people can't spout ignorant bullshit about hard science and make complete arses of themselves?

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cavediver
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Message 52 of 284 (503671)
03-21-2009 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by LucyTheApe
03-20-2009 10:01 PM


Cavediver, what can I say? Um..You're a dick head. You claim to be a physicist...but I realized how stupid you were when you claimed, with authority in a previous thread, that mass increases with velocity.
oh boy, we got a live one. Unbelievably off-topic, but I do not make "claims" in this area, as anyone at EvC with more than a scraping of neural matter appreciates. Out of interest, to which type of 'mass' are you referring? I may be wrong, but I will pay 200 GBP to AIDS research if you can find anywhere at EvC I have ever said that "mass increases with velocity" without qualification of what I meant by "mass". But I do appreciate that this is all probably a bit beyond you, so please feel free to ignore the challenge
back to the topic:
A snowflake contains no inherited information.
No? So the informational structure of the water molecule is not inherited into the structure of the snowflake? Really?
It forms according to its environment when the conditions are right.
Oh, you are so close... so close to understanding, but your "stupidity" prevents you from seeing. Where do you think the information in the genome has come from? You think it is any different to the snowflake? Hmmm - chemical composition + environment... A powerful combination.
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
On the contrary, it has EVERYTHING to do with what you are talking about. The fact that you don't see it simply demonstrates your inability to understand the subject.
Coyote writes:
OK, how about a snowflake or a hurricane? Or a crystal? A stalagmite/stalactite?
Natural processes.
But evolution is "magic", right?
Please just stay out of this thread. Your input, from my experience, is like a cancer
Ooh, do I have so much of an impact? Wow, I'm impressed. I guess my belittling in the face of abject idiocy is far more worthwhile than I would have ever credited.
Just ignore my stupidity and allow me to make an arse out of myself, that's my right.
You have certainly enacted your right enough times, and I am exercising my right to not ignore it. Where's the fun in someone making an arse out of themselves if I'm not there to heckle

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cavediver
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Message 55 of 284 (503679)
03-21-2009 6:07 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by LucyTheApe
03-21-2009 5:48 AM


If you promise to give $200 to the nearest high school maths teacher, I'll dig it out.
You're talking to one So that would be a bit pointless... though I don't get paid to do it any more, so the cash would come in handy

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