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Topic: If you were God, what kind of God would you be?
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
Should I rape Suzy? No!!!! not Suzy or Jane, or Mary, or Paula, or Esther, or...... Rape is not only morally wrong it is inhuman. It is something that certain religious people seem to to think is alright when their deity says so, but it is not. I am also an Atheist for those who do not know it.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
So, eight evolutionists out of eight if I include myself, have very clearly said that I shouldn't rape Suzy. Thanks, guys, but do remember, I decided that it should all depend on what mike thinks. Mike? Mike? Please state what you think. Should I rape Suzy?
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Re: Should I Rape Suzy? Part III
Time to pitch in. Yes, rape her. Then ask Jesus to forgive you and all will be alright. That, of course, was a joke (perhaps a poor one). Rape is one of the worst things you can do to a human. It's a despicable act, and utterly morally wrong. Atheist, by the way...
I hunt for the truth
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Message 109 of 247 (520620)
08-22-2009 3:51 PM
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Don't.
Do not rape Suzy. Do not rape anyone. Rape is a despicable act of moral depravity. Only sexual perverts and religious nuts rape women. The first because they want to, and they don't listen to anyone who tells them it's wrong; the second because they want to and think there's a God who tells them it's OK. Please, do not rape Suzy. Parasomnium, atheist.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 110 of 247 (520698)
08-23-2009 7:38 AM
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* drums fingers lightly on desk *
It seems clear that mike is never going to admit that rape is wrong. Will any creationist admit that rape is wrong? I mean, they can't all be evil, can they? Well, maybe they can. This thread has been a bit of an eye-opener for me. Rape. Is it wrong. Simple question. Creationists, your opinions please. Should I rape Suzy?
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Re: Should I Rape Suzy?
DrAdequate writes: So Hell is a lie, right? yes, it is a lie.
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 112 of 247 (520775)
08-23-2009 11:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Peg
08-23-2009 10:52 PM
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Re: Should I Rape Suzy?
peg writes: yes, it is a lie. It is a pleasure to find something we can agree on. 
The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4220 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Hellfire, Dammit
Boy - no wonder you have such troubles with the bible. You simply twist any thing you can twist to suit your argument. Unfortunately, that is what most people, whether religious or not, do. They simply interpret it in any way that makes it appear to agree with their ideas.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 114 of 247 (520782)
08-24-2009 12:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by John 10:10
08-17-2009 1:32 PM
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Back to Basics
John 10:10 writes: Since most who come to this forum are unbelievers in God who created the heavens and the earth, and you reject the God of the Bible, I would like to see these folk answer the following questions: It's not that I don't believe in God, it is that I trust my personal relationship over your secondhand interpretation or your claimed immaculate and idolatrous worship of a series of bound paper of unknown provenance. In other words plain and simple, I worship GOD, not you or your master. Edited by anglagard, : Make it absolutely clear in last sentence.
The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Blue Jay
Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: 02-04-2008
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Re: * drums fingers lightly on desk *
Hi, Dr A. I'm not a creationist, obviously. But, I am a Christian, and I say you shouldn't rape Suzy, especially not in a Russian roulette style like you're doing now. It's a horribly wrong thing to do: it's wrong now, and it was wrong when the ancient Hebrews did it in God's name. If God commanded me to do it, I might just have to go to Hell instead.
-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Granny Magda
Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: 11-12-2007 Member Rating: 4.1
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Message 116 of 247 (520827)
08-24-2009 8:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by Blue Jay
08-24-2009 7:50 AM
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Re: * drums fingers lightly on desk *
Hi Bluejay, I just wanted to say kudos. Some of the most torturous and disgusting apologetics we see here are those by folks who are unwilling to say this;
{Rape is} a horribly wrong thing to do: it's wrong now, and it was wrong when the ancient Hebrews did it in God's name. If God commanded me to do it, I might just have to go to Hell instead. It's a simple thing to admit, but some Christians have trouble with it for some reason. Mike's unwillingness to condemn rape stands as a good example of this. Nice to see a more moderate Christian set a counter-example.
Oh and, Dr A; don't rape Suzy. In fact, I just got an email from Suzy and she says that you shouldn't rape her. She also says that she has a boyfriend and she doesn't fancy you. Of course, since Suzy isn't perfect, I guess by Mike's logic, she doesn't get to make a moral judgement on whether she should be raped or not. Mutate and Survive
"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 117 of 247 (520832)
08-24-2009 10:08 AM
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No raping. Not of Suzy, or anyone else, even if they're wearing hoochy-mama clothes and are slobbering drunk. Rape is wrong. - Coragyps, atheist and "evolutionist."
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 118 of 247 (520918)
08-25-2009 12:56 AM
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My Statement
I condemn rape as a criminal act under all circumstances, therefore no, do not rape Suzy, period. Where are the holier-than-thou in this challenge? - Anglagard, Spinoza Pantheist (mostly, but not entirely), and 101% supporter of evolution and an old earth and universe. Edited by anglagard, : Add support for evolution as that was the challenge Edited by anglagard, : Answer the direct question.
The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Re: * drums fingers lightly on desk *
Dr Adequate writes: Will any creationist admit that rape is wrong? I mean, they can't all be evil, can they? Well, maybe they can. This thread has been a bit of an eye-opener for me. Count me in too as well. Kind of gives a new meaning to the phrase "the devil is in the details" as in their god has all the attributes of any purported Antichrist.
The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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Meldinoor
Member (Idle past 4839 days) Posts: 400 From: Colorado, USA Joined: 02-16-2009
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Message 120 of 247 (520926)
08-25-2009 3:31 AM
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Of course you shouldn't rape Suzy! Most people are instinctively aware that rape is a despicable act. Even if God is the creator of morality and the perfect example thereof, is it unthinkable that Homo Sapiens, who are after all 'created' in his image (I must confess I'm not fully sure what this means), would have been imparted a 'built-in' understanding of morality? Where would we be today if not everyone understood that it is wrong to kill and to rape?
mike the wiz writes: My original point still stands. Unless you are completely righteouss, how can your mind make a sound judgement? You are a person whom has views RELATIVE to your opinions, morals, worldview, etc. You can only make a conclusion based on that relativity. Who is "completely righteous"? If I steal a pen at work, does that now make me incapable of making any moral decisions in my life? The holier-than-thou attitude of classing atheists and evolutionists as 'immoral' is as untrue as it is unbiblical. There are several examples in the Bible of gentiles and non-christians acting virtuously. There are also plenty of examples in today's world. Meldinoor, Christian.
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