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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4139 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Sure, but that is the old testament. In the new, we are presented with a different standard 'love thy enemy', and the old one just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
so pretty much its not an absolute, if you need to shift the meanings and alter how you present your argument to keep going, i don't think its workingthere just isn't any absolutes, not even god has absolutes, look at the big 10 and look later in a majority of the books, he has no problem breaking his own rules and allowing others to do so. of course i'd get the ol' god doesn't count since he's god, but it shows they arn't absolutes, anymore than man made laws are just because people have common laws do not make them absolutes, we all have laws over murder but most of them differ, but we make laws and morals because we all share the same problems, with differing factors for happeningback then i doubt they would have a law about someone running someone over with a car on accident, but i bet they had a law about shooting someone in the back wwith a bow on accident, but we don't, well we do, but it really doesn't happen my point is its an absurd argument to make that universal moral laws exist simply because every culture has the same problems and punishs themevery culture has killed a murderer for murder, but they don't treat them the same in how they do it or for the same logical reasons
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5981 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
ReverendDG writes: so pretty much its not an absolute, if you need to shift the meanings and alter how you present your argument to keep going, i don't think its working I still think there is an absolute. Our awareness of it and interpretation of it is just getting better. There may have been clans back in the day who killed their neighbors. It deosn't even matter. There are countries where the same behaviour exsts to this day. And what do we do? We call them 'uncivilized' and send our troops out to fix them. If all morality is relative, then what right do we have to tell another country how to set its rules? Aren't we still viewing our own moral successes as absolutes? And then, what are our moral successes? They are the laws we have made which reflect love of neighbor. Rights, and freedoms. Again, I say, our rights and freedoms can be snatched from us in the blink of an eye, if we dare to deny the same rights to our fellow humans. We may drink to our heart's content, but not if we are driving. We may speak out as much as we want, but not if it is in slander. Have the morals changed just because individuals and nations fail to recognize them?
we all have laws over murder but most of them differ, We ALL have laws over murder. We already covered this. Murder is acceptable when it serves the greater good.
my point is its an absurd argument to make that universal moral laws exist simply because every culture has the same problems and punishs them every culture has killed a murderer for murder, but they don't treat them the same in how they do it or for the same logical reasons Well, its an absurd point to make. You are putting the cart way before the horse. Every culture has killed a murderer. Why? How did they know it was wrong? What was the judgement based on? I will entertain the idea of a change, if it can be shown to reveal a shift from the OT portrayal of God, to the NT God. At the least it will be more interesting.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
That story is obviously fiction.
There are so many logical holes; it is really just a slightly better-written text version of a Jack Chick tract.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: 1) Why can't God change? 2) God seems to change quite a lot in the bible.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's the message I got from that story: Their religion made them worry more about how they appeared to everybody else, which is why they tried to do the abortion in secret. They had a conflict where their strict dogma ran up against the realities of their lives. Apparently, they were also so stupid that they didn't realize that they should use contraception if they wanted to avoid pregnancy. I guess I also learned that I shouldn't use Christian doctors because if any of them are as stupid as these Christian medical students were, I don't want them anywhere near me.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, your writing style is exactly like Rob's, and anastasia's isn't. Anastasia also actually paricipates in a back and forth, where you, rob, do not.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5981 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
schrafinator writes: God seems to change quite a lot in the bible. Is that like 'the moon seems to grow smaller from earth'?.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
No, your writing style is exactly like Rob's
Thats what I thought . Rob's key topic was absolutes and he went off on preachy tangents too. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I saw a few of rob's posts before. Nothing too offensive. Why would he have to come back as a different person?
George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I point you to Message 139
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Touche'
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Anastasia also actually paricipates in a back and forth, where you, rob, do not. She is in many ways my senior. Much more patient... A back and forth conversation would be one in which the party (in this case the accusor) is actually interested in understanding the point of view of the other. My evidence is laughed out of town as inadmissable. You cannot reach the conscious, when it has been systematically exchanged for biochemical emotion in the target audience. When the body is the soul, you become dead to soulishness. When you get a Ringo (who really only does not hide it as well as say... you) then the entire enterprise is a mock trial (repeat refrain). When the attitude at the start is, 'Look you fool! You don't get it! I have already made up my mind, and I don't care what you say... I intend to have my way... then what can be said, without a magical snowstorm of static becoming the inevitable buzzz? I do not deny the power... but to what avail? If a madman insists that his company follow him through many an incoherent merry go round, then is his company guilty of not playing along? That's my stand, and I do wish I could help you see and hear. It's a great game (if your mad). A real power play! One that is, by definition, not productive for either party. For the record, it's... Robert Scott Lockett.Don't try and take the credit Schraf. Dr Jones deserves all the glory! He'll bask in the glory with much humility I can see it now. I offer because I'm tired anyhow. Though I don't know why you would want to let one go who is so visible a target of mob tyranny. A genuine gang rape. It's not as though I'm going to save anyone. If they hear, they'll hear. Why didn't someone just come out and ask? Are you, or are you not...? Rob I expect absolute justice, just not from those who do not believe in it. Before I am completely crucified, I thought of another absolute other than justice and mercy (which you can take to the bank btw) and it is rebellion. Some things just cannot be altered, because the powers that be will not allow it. I've learned so much from you all. Do hope I've been entertaining enough to keep around, but if not... I've learned alot... Funny how simple lessons are the hardest. Don't give pearls to swine!
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
You have still provided no evidence of an Absolute Truth or that there is any indication that Morality is decreasing. I have repeatedly! I cannot show you something you refuse to see. It's like me oening my hand and saying, "look a penny". And you say, 'there's no penny in there'. I mean, I have to hand it to you... I can't beat that! I can't force you to be honest. When I show honesty, it is ascribed to weakness; to self esteem issues, or copping out! OK jar... you beat me! So what did you win? You know the only difference between me and you? I actually care! And no matter what you do, I always will. Even when you don't deserve it.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
When I show honesty, it is ascribed to weakness; to self esteem issues, or copping out! Honesty? Right Rob. See Message 62, last line. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Yes jar, that's honesty...
I'm not suprised you don't recognize it!
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