I have not even attempted to do the maths, but wouldn't it be more beneficial for everyone if unemployed people were employed by the government/councils?

Rather than the Govt. guaranteeing people an income, could they not guarantee people a job?
Why would we want to pay people to look for work, when we could just pay them to do work?

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Message 24 of 300 (665278)
06-11-2012 11:00 AM

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06-11-2012 10:35 AM

Re: A civil service

Jon writes:

Doing work costs more money.

No.

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Message 33 of 300 (665333)
06-12-2012 5:24 AM

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06-11-2012 7:04 PM

Re: Passive Observer

Rahvin writes:

Is this unpaid labor voluntary or compulsory?

The current talks by the govt. are about making it compulsory.

Rahvin writes:

Is the social safety net sufficient to guarantee a minimally acceptable standard of living for the unemployed?

Give or take a little, yes.
You get a roof over your head and food on your table.
How 'acceptable' this is, is open to discussion.

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Message 34 of 300 (665335)
06-12-2012 5:37 AM

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06-11-2012 10:50 PM

Re: Unpaid Work For The Unemployed

Jon writes:

Did you read anything I wrote? Anything at all?

What makes you think that reading your posts allows us to figure out what you are trying to say?

You LOL'ed at my previous 'No' response, but you clearly missed the point.

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Message 38 of 300 (665342)
06-12-2012 8:34 AM

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06-12-2012 8:17 AM

Re: Unpaid Work For The Unemployed

Jon writes:

When someone thinks that doing work doesn't cost more money than not doing work, the only reasonable response is to laugh at them.

As I said: you completely missed the point - as usual.

And talking of laughing at people:
If doing work costs more money than not doing work then how do businesses ever make a profit?

Jon writes:

Because I was pretty clear...

That would be a first.

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Message 41 of 300 (665345)
06-12-2012 8:47 AM

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06-12-2012 8:26 AM

Re: Passive Observer

Straggler writes:

In absolute terms the amounts are 56.25 per week for those under 25 and 71 per week for those over 25.

You are also exempt from certain charges e.g. Poll Tax.
And rent (up to a certain level) is paid for.

(I am not arguing that the amount is generous, merely trying to help Rahvin have a more complete understanding.)

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Message 43 of 300 (665347)
06-12-2012 9:07 AM

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06-12-2012 8:42 AM

Re: Unpaid Work For The Unemployed

Jon writes:

Isn't it obvious?

Not from what you post.

Let us look, shall we?

Jon writes:

Some work generates income greater than the costs of doing that work...

Jon writes:

When someone thinks that doing work doesn't cost more money than not doing work, the only reasonable response is to laugh at them.

So, by your own logic, you should laugh at yourself.

Jon writes:

If you read my words for what they are instead of what you think they are, then you'd have no problem understanding my most simple points.

Well, let's try that...

Jon writes:

Doing work costs more money.

Jon writes:

Some work generates income greater than the costs of doing that work, other work doesn't;

Posting contradictory statements will never make your position clear.

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