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It's interesting that you should start to obfuscate the statistics even before we've started to look at them. I just mentioned that we might look at the statistics, and before you've even seen a single statistic, you start crying out that they don't prove racism, and start thinking up ways where if the statistics suggest racism, we should discount the statistics --- whatever they are.And here's your narrative "there is a problem when white cops confront blacks in their community when they've committed a crime". What about when they haven't? When I posted this ... http://www.addictinginfo.org/...her-home-beat-and-kidnap-her ... you were all up in arms when I suggested you'd defend the police no matter what. But now you define the discussion as how white police and black criminals react "when white cops confront blacks in their community when they've committed a crime".

Interesting article.

I only skimmed the article you posted back there because it was your usual tactic of comparing unrelated things to imply that an opinion about one case implies the same opinion about the other. The story you posted looks like a really bad miscarriage of justice by the cops, but we weren't discussing that kind of situation at the time. The current context is the attempt to arrest someone for a crime actually committed so that's what I responded to. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The thing is, that kind of advice is good for whites or blacks. Don't resist arrest, don't do anything to cause the police to suspect or distrust you.

Oh, who decided that? Suddenly it's all about "the attempt to arrest someone for a crime actually committed" even though that's not the topic of the thread and even though people were talking about a more general problem.

And yet the parents of black kids feel the need to give their kids that lecture 'cos it might save their life. It doesn't happen so often to white kids. My parents never took the time to explain to me how, if I had committed no crime, I should avoid being killed by police officers.Really, you don't think it says something?

I don't know what it says for sure but I know I'm wary of your attempts to hang some accusation on me that you've made up out of thin air. White kids ARE taught that resisting arrest is wrong, and that you are to do what the cops tell you to do. It does appear that Brown, Garner and Rice were not told that.

You brought up a case of mistreatment by the cops in an attempt to put the Garner and Brown cases in the same light although as the conversation was going they were entirely different situations, and I refused to let you get away with it.

I wasn't. But your daddy sat you on his knee and told you "don't move suddenly, don't reach for your cellphone" ... when, exactly? When did he explain to you that any sudden movement in the sight of a police officer might get you shot?

Not to avoid getting killed, just to obey the cops, which might actually keep you from getting killed whether that was the message or not. Which of course Garner didn't do and Brown didn't do (though witnesses lied about that) and Rice didn't do either unfortunately. They said put up your hands and he didn't.

That's a fascinating mis-statement of the facts.

Read the article again. The guy did not just advise his son to "obey the cops".When did your daddy advise you never to make any sudden movements when cops were around, as though they were wasps or bears or something?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

I had a brother who was schizophrenic. So they said. He was hard to deal with, whatever his condition. For a long time he didn't have a job, hung out on the streets, slept in his car. He was a big guy and could be scary looking. Once my niece, thirteen at the time, called the police on him because he was hanging out in their garage when she was the only one at home. I can't blame her, you weren't sure what he would do, and when I spent time with him, rarely, I was uneasy too. Nobody knew what to do with him. My other brother had had him committed once but they legally couldn't keep him so he was out roaming the streets again within a few days. Anyway, the cops came and he batted them off and they hurt him, broke his jaw, broke an arm. I was in another state but I felt terrible that he'd been so mistreated. It isn't just black guys.Edited by Faith, : better wordingEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not a single person on this planet has said that its just the black guys...Why are you downplaying the racism so much?

No indeed, it isn't. And no-one said it was.In fact, as this guy says: