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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Political science is the one that makes me roll my eyes. Actually, 'political correctness' is even more asinine. If that isn't an oxymoron, I don't know what is.
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ringo Member (Idle past 705 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Porkncheese writes:
I would hope that no scientist thinks ToE is 100% correct. What would be the point of continuing to study it if we already understood it completely? 100 scientists were surveyed and askedWhat are the chances of ToE being completely correct? Answers varied from 0% to 100% And our geese will blot out the sun.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6121 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
Dr Adequate writes: Bahahahahshaha. OMG. That is hilarious. Mechanical engineering isn't a science though. Except that Dr Adequate is correct. Engineering isn't a science, but rather a discipline which ideally should make use of the findings of science, but doesn't always. In fact, we've had engineering a lot longer than we've had science. Basically, engineers only concern themselves with what works and what doesn't and they don't care why something works. I'm a retired software engineer with a strong background in hardware (first trained as a computer systems technician, took a number of university EE classes for fun) having worked closely with EEs for most of my 35-year career. Science is about discovering what's happening and why, hence developing theories is very important. Engineering is only about getting something to work, thus caring next to nothing why something is happening; hence engineers care nothing for theory. The strongest rebuke that an engineer can receive is to be derided for conducting a "science project". In one job, I was designing the software interface to a new sensor (a humidity sensor, as I seem to recall). Part of that is to take the ADC value (digital form (0 to 255) of an analogy voltage level (0-5 V)) and convert it to the units (eg, % relative humidity). The data sheet only gave us a graph. So I started working on conversion formulae derived from curve fitting. Our EE put an immediate halt to my "science project" and ordered me to just build a look-up table. In my Linear Circuit Analysis class, our professor had worked as a EE and he often expressed his contempt for scientists and mathematicians as well as for theory. When he introduced the subject of convolution, he told us the story of the delta function. Basically, the delta function is a pulse with an area of 1 and whose pulse width gets shrunk down to zero such that when you apply it to a circuit you're hitting that circuit with an instantaneous signal of infinite amplitude. Engineers came up with it and put it to practical use. It took mathematics about a century to prove the delta function and our professor just laughed at those idiots and their silly fixation with theories and proofs. Next time you read a list of "creation scientists", notice how many of them are engineers (also how many have degrees in theology and in "food science").
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6121 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
There was confusion about the term naturalism. I responded and cleared that up. No, you did not. Please stop lying. The term in question was not "naturalism", but rather "the naturalistic theory". That is not the same thing. Furthermore, all you did to "clear it up" was to tell us to look it up, then later from Wikipedia you gave a definition for something other than "the naturalistic theory". Of course you couldn't find that definition since it doesn't exist. "The naturalistic theory" is just something that you made up or else you got it from a creationist who had made it up. I told you to look on YouTube for a video debate between Aron Ra and Mr. Kent Hovind. The reason is because they both use the term "evolution", but entirely differently from each other. Aron Ra uses it correctly, so if you were to look the term up (as you chided us to do) you would find that that definition agrees very strongly with how Aron Ra uses the term. However, Hovind's definition (which he only hints at, because keeping parts of it hidden makes it more useful for deception) is completely at odds with the definition. They both use the same word, but Hovind is talking about something completely different. We would be very justified to ask Hovind to explain what he's talking about, something that would not be satisfied by your glib "Go look it up!". So our question to you still stands unanswered: Just what exactly do you mean by "the naturalistic theory"?
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined: |
100 scientists were surveyed and asked What are the chances of ToE being completely correct? Answers varied from 0% to 100% Varying levels of FAITH as some BELIEVE it more than othersHardly a science when they can't even agree on it Boy, you have some really shitty arguments, don't you? But I notice you've given up on the shitty argument in the OP. So is this new one going to be the topic of your next thread, or are you going to find a different way to embarrass yourself?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 268 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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"Bible Science" is the one that totally gets me. It's offered at the first University I attended. All they did was reading different versions of Christian Bibles. A degree in Theology followed. That's it. They call themselves scientists after the 3 years of taking that course.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6121 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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As I suggested to PnC, take a standard creationist "list of scientists who believe in creation" and read what their degrees are.
Several have degrees in theology or directly related to theology (eg, Hovind's albeit fake PhD in Religious Education). As you just noted. Several have degrees in education. A large number have degrees in engineering and in other technical fields. For example, I have seen two with PhDs in "food science", a valid field (read the O'Reilly book, "Cooking for Geeks") but what the frak does that have to do with evolution (not counting the truly stupid creationist argument asking how food evolved)? Some do have degrees in the sciences, but they are definitely the minority in those lists.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9603 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
I think what we're witnessing here is evidence of absense.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 561 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
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Pressie Member (Idle past 268 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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You were not asked to classify the fossils as either Ape or Human.
This was the question asked after the image:
Taq writes: Please comment on this. After all, this forum is there for dialogue. "A" is a chimp and "L" is a modern human. The rest are laid out in chronological order. This sure looks like macroevolution to me. If you disagree, please tell us what features these fossils are missing that you would need to see in order to accept it as evidence for macroevolution. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10346 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
We need to see a list of criteria you are using to determine if these fossils are transitional or not. If you can't list these criteria, then it is pretty obvious that all you have is straight denial.
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Fascinating. So you think that of these three A and M are two of a kind, and N is the odd one out?
So, some questions spring to mind. (1) In god's name why?(2) Are you legally blind? (3) Why do you suppose so few creationists even agree with you?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 268 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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I think that Porkncheese abandoned us. The basic and honest replies to the statements he/she made were just too hard for him/her to be able to comprehend.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 268 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Bump for Porkncheese.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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The basic and honest replies to the statements he/she made were just too hard for him/her to be able to comprehend. It has to be a he. I have never heard a woman blame the atheists for not getting laid. He is definitely a guy who had his balls handed to him by female atheist evolutionist. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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