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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Let the government play God. The biggest cry in these mass killing scenarios is why nobody did anything to address the killer's mental issues prior to the killing spree. We keep seeing those mental health concerns glaringly pop up after the deed that signaled a major problem in the killer's head that went unnoticed. This very kind of mental disconnect from reality is evident in whatiscrazycatholicname. He already doesn't know reality from his fantasies. An alter ego within his head is telling him dead atheists lied about their deepest inner feelings. That borderline tenuous grasp on reality can slip below sanity very easily if not addressed before he sets out to save us all from his fractured fears. He needs to be entered on the "Crazy- Dangerous" list and his actions monitored to make sure he is not stockpiling weapons and that, being a catholic, he isn't associating with young boys. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
... because you already conclude that they simply cant happen. No, not because it can't happen, Phat, but because every time we have seen these things for study they have ALWAYS turned out to be organic/chemical/structural anomalies within the structure of the victims brain. There are no such occurrences shown to be free of such defects. Since supernatural has never been shown, indeed has always been shown to be false, there is no reason to ever consider the supernatural as a viable explanation of anything, anywhere, ever. ... pending an enormously large and compelling body of facts in its favor which do not now appear to be evident, of course. I won't hold my breath waiting on it.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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You claim to have experienced many of the same (or similar) unexplained events that I have, and you too easily rejected them...as does AZ Paul3, simply because you already conclude that they simply cant happen. No, they are doing your job for you! quote: Instead of grasping any little thing that you do not immediately understand and proclaiming it to be supernatural and hence proof of or evidence for your beliefs in the supernatural, you need to be testing and vetting each and every one to the fullest extent. You are not the only one who pays the price for not doing your duty (people dismiss you as a religious nut), but your religion and gods also pay the price of being dismissed as nonsense. As Saint Augustine is quoted from "De Genese ad litteram" (fourth century -- follow link for more complete text):
quote: I have myself seen or heard of many such "inexplicable-ergo-supernatural" things; eg:
The main reason why our immediate response is to question and to look for a natural explanation is because so far every single phenomenon observed has proven to have a natural explanation. It is your duty to test every event that you think could be supernatural. The damage you do by shirking that duty is not only to yourself. Edited by dwise1, : added link for infrasound
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Similarly, from my own experience: I was sitting in a car outside the bowling alley in Bentonville, Arkansas back around the time of the birth of Walmart. Cars were coming rapidly down the bypass, turning into tigers, pumas, lions, and jaguars and running like hell past me with glowing eyes and shiny teeth. It was thrilling and some amount of scary! But it wasn’t supernatural in the least! It was, instead, internal brain chemistry aided by that LSD I had taken a couple of hours before.
You just don’t need the other. You simply need to get into that dream state that is already right there inside your braincase.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
My man! or Lady depending on whatever side of the bed you’re on.
Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Son Goku Inactive Member |
In general I'm not too fond of various "-isms" because they're often classifications of the world arrived at purely from armchair conjecturing based on little scientific knowledge and when I've spoken with philosophers they often ask me which of these early 20th century "-isms" modern physics tells us is true. Where to me the answer seems to be none.
From what I've read of physicalism I would say it is false in the sense that it can't be supported in light of quantum theory. Then again there seems to be a debate among philosophers as to what "physicalism" means, with once again that discussion seeming to take place independent of the actual science of physics so I'm not sure of its worth.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Does science give you a sense of certainty(even if tentative) that faith just never gave you? Or were you even brought up religious in the least?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
it would be better there be no god at all than a god without the sacraments Then you have your wish. The former is the better case indeed and is supported by a lack of evidence that should be there if the former were not true.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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I wasn't brought up religious no.
I wouldn't say I get a "sense of certainty" from science, I just enjoy it like I enjoy any hobby. It's more about how interesting it is rather than providing certainty or similar. I will say though in addition that the notion of "faith" or "certainty provided by faith" are very American ideas to me. Although people in Ireland are very Catholic and especially more so in the past it doesn't play the same social function as it does in America, at least as far as I have gleaned from the net. Very Catholic people here don't ever really say how faith provides certainty in their life, it would be closer to the way Japanese people are with Shinto where it's a big part of the culture of being Japanese but there's less emphasis on metaphysical questions like "are Kami real" and "what do they want" etc.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
A wee bit of humor:
quote: Also...
quote:************ Son Goku writes:
Sometimes I like to go off on philosophical rabbit trails and think abstractly and metaphorically. Other times I study arguments from different sides and draw my own conclusions about what I believe. I feel that belief deserves a spot beside evidence (as an alternative) I will say though in addition that the notion of "faith" or "certainty provided by faith" are very American ideas to me. Although people in Ireland are very Catholic and especially more so in the past it doesn't play the same social function as it does in America, at least as far as I have gleaned from the net. Very Catholic people here don't ever really say how faith provides certainty in their life, it would be closer to the way Japanese people are with Shinto where it's a big part of the culture of being Japanese but there's less emphasis on metaphysical questions like "are Kami real" and "what do they want" etc.The bottom line in my approach to teaching, which I do not currently do though am cleared to do so...is to encourage people to think. Where I differ from jar, for example, is that I don't teach them to simply compare all religions as if they all fall under the category of human cultural invention. According to scripture, the Disciples did no different. (If they receive you they receive me and if they receive me they receive the One Who sent me.) So I would take several opposing concepts from scripture. Light & Dark or Visible & Invisible, for example.And I would use them to make a point which encourages free associative type thinking. This differs from Science in that its not objectively factual...and my critics may charge me with being dishonest through making stuff up. My response is that what they teach only reinforces doubt. I market certainty in Jesus Christ.They charge me with "making God up". I'm starting to think that it is useless to attempt to disprove this notion. Edited by Phat, : actually thinking about what I post"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
That's not teaching, that's evangelising.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Genesis 1:9 says that God made the dry land appear. It doesn't say He made it. The creation stories suggest that He started with existing matter, just like we do. A scientist got into an argument with God...The scientist said, "We have decided we no longer need you, as we can create anything in the laboratory just as easy as you can create something." God said, "OK let's see who can create a human from dirt." The scientist reached down and gathered up some dirt... God said, "Hey! Get your own dirt!" "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
the authors had no concept of a universal Creator or of anything other than the ground they walked on. what else would you expect?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
the authors had no concept of a universal Creator ... Then why were they trying to writing about a universal creator? But, I agree with you. They had no concept of what they were supposedly writing about and their results showed the BS ignorance of their religious society and the inconsistencies and capricious nature of their deities all of which you fall for even though you know better, Phat. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And in Genesis 1 the god and creation are all simply plot characters in a Just So Story meant to explain and codify the Hebrew Sacred Week and Sabbath.
The errors and omission and utter falsehoods found in Genesis 1 are irrelevant since their only importance or significance was to move the narrative through a cycle of six work days and one day of rest.
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