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Author Topic:   AntiGod education should not be compulsary (even for non wealthy)
simple 
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Message 111 of 281 (84259)
02-07-2004 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by nator
02-06-2004 9:06 AM


Gee, my Buddhist friends might have a problem with you indoctrinating their children in a religion
that they do not follow.
I'd vote to let'm learn what they like, but if you can't respect the majority as being Christian, then just don't make it mandatory!

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simple 
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Message 112 of 281 (84261)
02-07-2004 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by nator
02-06-2004 9:20 AM


No, the "fact" doesn't stand that they were all Christians, as you have claimed
I didn't say "all".

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Message 113 of 281 (84262)
02-07-2004 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by nator
02-06-2004 9:39 AM


Re: plenty
I don't normally pick on spelling and grammar errors because we all make them from time to time,
but I just couldn't resist pointing out the numerous examples you made in the light of your blanket
criticisms of science
fair enough. granted I am guilty. So do I have to see kids shot up with ritilin, so they can be numbed into listening to that godless education now as a result of spelling errors?

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simple 
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Message 114 of 281 (84265)
02-07-2004 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Taqless
02-06-2004 6:47 PM


Re: change
Show that ToE is AntiGod
show me in Darwinism where God is? Can you point out how evolution embraces God in some way, and His written account of Orgins? Perhaps I never looked into it close enough.

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simple 
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Message 115 of 281 (84267)
02-07-2004 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by hitchy
02-06-2004 11:10 PM


gipper comes
i thought of an analogy for this whole thread
Thanks for the story. Any point you'd like a comment on?

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simple 
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Message 118 of 281 (84271)
02-07-2004 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Taqless
02-06-2004 6:47 PM


warming up here
I wanted evidence for your claim that the bible was "the oldest book".
why do you think Adam had some reading lined up, when he was done meeting Eve? If you know of a more ancient writing go ahead, share it.
The problem is belief, but not in God, in the Bible
At least you come out and have a clear position.
No, it is the afterlife that I don't think much of
If I was raised in a public school, I would probably share your view.
Like I asked, provide the "results" (you know numbers, statistics, etc), or at least a
line of reasoning for this claim.
(Regarding drugs, etc,) Things are in a state of decay that is I think a result of having no God in education. In History, in biology, in science, in everything, not to mention music! When you toss out God, and truth, and beauty, and prayer, you destroy the foundation. If there is no God, no right or wrong, why not bring a gun to school? Who is to say it is wrong? Why not take drugs (in addition to the ones the make you take)? Why not marry a monkey? Or why not be a cannibal? ( Or act like Sodom & Gommorah?) Unless you have a God, who is to say you are more right than I? Or your idea is true? Everything is equal, all lifestyles, murdering young unborn children, or anything. It's the survival of the fittest! May the best man win! see what I'm getting at? Throw out the rule giver, and there goes the rules.

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simple 
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Message 120 of 281 (84273)
02-07-2004 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by crashfrog
02-07-2004 1:56 PM


religion neutral or neutered?
Well hell, I don't think Huckleberry Finn "embraces" the Genesis account, except as a metaphor
or myth at some point, but I don't think that makes it "anti-God", do you?
I don't have to pay taxes to Mark Twain. And a good novel is a little different than a forced labotomy. Or a forced education neutered of the Savior.

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Message 121 of 281 (84278)
02-07-2004 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by crashfrog
02-07-2004 2:14 PM


Funny, then, that atheists (while accounting for about 5-10% of Americans) constitute less than 1%
of the prison population, and that it's Christians who lead the country in getting divorces.
Could it be that things Christian are more and more becoming illegal? Anyhow how many of these never do wells went to a godless school? I daresay probably almost all? Then of course there's tv! Anyhow, as for me, and my house, we will chose God in education.

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simple 
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Message 122 of 281 (84283)
02-07-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by crashfrog
02-07-2004 1:27 PM


Science is not a religion __ Much of what is refered to as science actually is a belief system. We can say 'the experts know' and then show up in court and have our hired experts say whatever fits our case. Each side having a scientist, geologist, handwriting expert, or whatever claim they represent science. Each authority, years and years of training, yet saying what the particular side wants. Now, regardless of what either side claims, where the rub comes if the results are you are forced to have children deny their faith.

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Message 123 of 281 (84288)
02-07-2004 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by crashfrog
02-07-2004 1:27 PM


Religion is revelatory
Does that mean if you don't get a revelation that you can't protect your children from having their beliefs ridiculed? Or does it mean if you get a revelation God was lying, and we really came from cockcroaches that we can hire experts to 'prove' it and throw the Lord's prayer out? (I know it was thrown out long ago).
If I don't agree with the statements of a prophet, what recourse do I have? And how do
I tell the difference between a "prophet" and a "liar"?
You don't have to send your kid's to her school. Liar? easy, if he says we created our selves he's a liar.
What churches exist
for Science
We're not talking about science. we're talking about science falsely so called, as the bible puts it. We're talking about the veil hiding the beast, some love to insist is "science". I like science, and think it's wonderful to teach, what we poor humans have been able to perceive of Creation. How He made the stars, and Heavens and Earth in 7 days! How He's been there all through history. How he loves sex, and music, and beauty! Why He died for us, so we can now live forever. How it is good for a man and women to be together, and how children are His gift! How love is right, and hate for our fellowman is bad. And so on.

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simple 
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Message 128 of 281 (84395)
02-08-2004 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by nator
02-07-2004 4:58 PM


Shows how the kids are being treated by this mandatory system. Hints the stuff taught may be part of the problem, and along with the general ill state of the education sytem, show theres more serious things to worry about than trying to pretend chat room posts are applications to teach in school. About the cocaine like drug, ritilin, Do you think it's fine foisting it on children? By the way, I looked up theory in a dictionary, and it says a theory is (like it or not evos)"speculation" "hypothesis to explain something;" So, don't try and make it sound like real science is at issue!

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Message 130 of 281 (84410)
02-08-2004 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Minnemooseus
02-08-2004 1:38 AM


mellow compares dictionaries
I submitted a dictionary definition, in the dictionary I had on hand. I guess you do not like it. Feel welcome to submit every dictionary in the world definition, I'll bet you averages are no different than the one I happened to have. I'm not hung up on it, it was just a reference book fact on hand, that should reflect a common view, of a common word. Whether you agree or not!
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{Adminnemooseus adds by edit:
Since this is, in part, an admin comment, and also to avoid another fairly off-topic message, I will slip into the "admin mode".
You are conceding that your view was the common view. The common view is not the scientific view. Please take futher discusion to the topic that my non-admin counterpart supplied. The Moose dictionary, by the way, was the 4 inch thick Webster's Unabridged - Thank You}
[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-08-2004]

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simple 
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Message 131 of 281 (84412)
02-08-2004 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by nator
02-07-2004 4:57 PM


mistakes are human
It's a good sign when we can admit we are not perfect, and have made a mistake. Tks

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Message 133 of 281 (84494)
02-08-2004 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by crashfrog
02-08-2004 1:37 PM


Who's ridiculing belief
Public education sytem where Christian beliefs are ridiculed, mocked, denied, and banned, and minimized! God and the Bible as well are not allowed in.
Evolution is science
My dictionary I have on hand (websters) defines an evolutionist as "a believer in the doctrine of evolution"! Don't ask me to support you indoctinating children with the anti Christ stuff! Sure some of it is science, but I want science that is not speculations mixed and welded together with science so kid's have to accept the new devil's version at the point of a gun so to speak. (Try keeping kids out of school, and see what happens) Let's give them religious freedom to actually be allowed to have some faith in their learning, and not tear it down and trample it underfoot. Or count a lot of people OUT as far as supporting it in ANY way!! Someone mentioned how the Catholics were without concern for the issue just a few christians. Well I was born a catholic, so you can't count them all out for the count!

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simple 
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Message 136 of 281 (84539)
02-08-2004 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by hitchy
02-07-2004 3:30 PM


Oh, no God
we show you how evolution is religion neutral
no you don't it is a religion. It's also hypocritical to deny it. It's faith, and doctrine, no more married to science than creation is. Say it all you want it just ain't so, sorry, the jigs up!
we show you that evolution makes no claims on a creator
I show you it makes claims against Him.
you say it is wrong for a teacher
like me to teach my subject
Not at all, lose the evolution old age part, or stop compelling kids to learn it.

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