Re: Phat & Jar: how we explain their "Christianity"
Jar is not a Christian - we seem to be agreed that he is a 5th columnist - whereas the average Joe here is 'simply' lost. I think many of the brethern have tried to wiggle their way around Jar and have found themselves throwing Jello at a wall (*Jello slithers down walls*)
I find it interesting how I have discussed the meaning of Christianity with jar in chat for several dozen hours. I find his belief that God made the ultimate sacrifice by becoming human in the form of Christ far more admirable and perhaps even plausible, than any other explanation. I also believe that people like jar and Ringo want to make people think about their beliefs as opposed to any demand that all must unquestioningly follow anyone who claims personal infalliblity.
In other words, perhaps if you actually sought to understand how jar thinks you would ask as opposed to claim perfect knowledge of his heart and condemn him without any desire to understand. Perhaps you may then stand on firmer ground in regard to your opinions concerning his religious beliefs.
As to Phat, whom I have also discussed Christianity with for many hours on chat, I find his almost childlike faith in God to be quite charming if not as comprehensively and ruthlessly self examined as jar's. Plus, just because Phat appears to have an agreeable and pleasant personality, is that grounds to dismiss the nature of his personal relationship with God?
Iano, from what little I can know of you from your posts, with all the self-righteous judgment of others, all I can say is I hope you come off as more likeable in person. I am not impressed by any individual theology that begins with 'my way, or the highway' or 'how dare you question ME.'
The Baptists around here make a big deal about the question "What would Jesus do?" From what I understand, Jar has helped build churches and is currently creating websites for several for free. Phat is currently volunteering his time counseling troubled youth in prison.
My question to you Iano is, considering how much you appear to negatively judge others as to the quality of their actions in regard to Christianity, what have you done lately?
That is, other than condemn any and all that don't toe to your ideological line and then self-righteously appear to state that you are speaking for God.
Edited by anglagard, : Emphasize Phat is volunteering his time for free
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza